Oil burner problem

Dtp1979

I'm currently at this burner. Ecoflam on a Stanley cooker. 3 years old. Boiler can run from 1 min to 30 min then lockout. Reset and it might or might not go for another 5 mins.
I've been at it only for a few mins in the evening.
I've changed the coil, and on the advise of Stanley, the photocell. I also changed the pump drive. Problem still occurs.
Anyone any ideas?
I hate cookers

JustTheOne

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I'm currently at this burner. Ecoflam on a Stanley cooker. 3 years old. Boiler can run from 1 min to 30 min then lockout. Reset and it might or might not go for another 5 mins.
I've been at it only for a few mins in the evening.
I've changed the coil, and on the advise of Stanley, the photocell. I also changed the pump drive. Problem still occurs.
Anyone any ideas?
I hate cookers

does it have a control box?

Dtp1979

JustTheOne wrote: »

does it have a control box?

Yea it does. An expensive part to replace if I'm wrong

JustTheOne

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Yea it does. An expensive part to replace if I'm wrong

Hmmm suppose. But I'd always start with the simplest things.

Has it locked out when you are there?

Dtp1979

JustTheOne wrote: »

Hmmm suppose. But I'd always start with the simplest things.

Has it locked out when you are there?

It did. I hadn't much time to spend on it though

Wearb

If everything ok with fuel pressure, then I would suspect CB on that burner.

crock!

Spark generator (transformer)

Dtp1979

crock! wrote: »

Spark generator (transformer)

Maybe.
I feckin hate cookers. This happened a few years ago to me on another cooker. Similar problem. I change nearly every single component on the burner. In the end it was an air pressure switch on the fan flue outside.

Wearb

crock! wrote: »

Spark generator (transformer)

Would that just prevent it from starting? It starts and runs. It doesn't sound like it runs long enough to cut out on the stat. So wouldn't need need the spark for a restart.

jimf

dont see very many ecoflam burners but heres a link from another forum that may be of help

http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/oil-solid-fuel-forum/65387-ecoflam-oil-burner-intermittent-fault.html

jimf

any update on this dtp

Dtp1979

jimf wrote: »

any update on this dtp

No not back yet. No major panic as they have a module outside to heat the rads too so they're not stuck for heat.
I'll update as soon as it's fixed

jimf

cheers

Dtp1979

Was back there today. Changed control box. Same issue no change

Wearb

Have you been able to check pump pressure and vaccuum?

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

Have you been able to check pump pressure and vaccuum?

I didn't no. Because they're not stick for heat, I'm not spending too long at it. Oil is fine as the cooker burner works perfectly well

Pappacharlie

I had a similar problem on a standard reillo burner some time back. After changing almost everything it finally turned out to be a pin hole in the flexible steel fuel pipe. Replaced it and no problems since.This was a microscopic hole no oil escaped just after so long the pump would draw in enough air to cause a trip and after a few minutes the oil would disperse the air. It almost drove me to distraction!!

DGOBS

Hi Dec, just a thought....little detail: Module outside!!

How are both piped, can the module draw from the cooker, leaving you airlocked or deprived of fuel (as you said, sometimes runs for 1 minute, sometimes 30....may reset and run for another 5 mins....)

Sit there watching your pressure gauge, look for fluctuation, indication fuel poverty, listen to the oil pump, is it struggling/humming?
If so, maybe a non return on the oil line may help.

Dtp1979

DGOBS wrote: »

Hi Dec, just a thought....little detail: Module outside!!

How are both piped, can the module draw from the cooker, leaving you airlocked or deprived of fuel (as you said, sometimes runs for 1 minute, sometimes 30....may reset and run for another 5 mins....)

Sit there watching your pressure gauge, look for fluctuation, indication fuel poverty, listen to the oil pump, is it struggling/humming?
If so, maybe a non return on the oil line may help.

The boiler outside is Teed of it alright but doesn't be in operation when the fault occurs. Plus, the cooker burner is working perfectly too.seens to have gotten worse too. As in it won't even run for 20 seconds now

jimf

as you have tried new coil/ p cell/ and control box there isn't much left only pump

just a though whats the drive coupling like worn coupling can throw pump off line and cause funny issues

Wearb

I'm currently at this burner. Ecoflam on a Stanley cooker. 3 years old. Boiler can run from 1 min to 30 min then lockout. Reset and it might or might not go for another 5 mins.
I've been at it only for a few mins in the evening.
I've changed the coil, and on the advise of Stanley, the photocell. I also changed the pump drive. Problem still occurs.
Anyone any ideas?
I hate cookers

jimf

ould age wearb make some allowances please

Dtp1979

Got back to this today. Changed the transformer, solenoid stem, electrodes, and capacitor. Guess what....
I've a new pump ordered. Surely it has to be the pump at this stage

Dtp1979

This one is dragging out a while now. Got back there yesterday. Changed the pump. Pressure spot on. Was working for a few mins. And now it's back to the same thing again locking out between 5-30 seconds.

Wearb

I would stick flexi into a can of my own (proven) kero to see if that helps. If not and pressure is up at time of cutout, then fuel and pump are ok.

Then if flue way and seals ok, it's down to controls.

You could cut the air right down to the smoking stage. If you can't make it smoke, then you have air getting in somewhere.

After that it's down to trying control parts.

I like (the challenge) and hate those sort of problems in equal measure.

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

I would stick flexi into a can of my own (proven) kero to see if that helps. If not and pressure is up at time of cutout, then fuel and pump are ok.

Then if flue way and seals ok, it's down to controls.

You could cut the air right down to the smoking stage. If you can't make it smoke, then you have air getting in somewhere.

After that it's down to trying control parts.

I like (the challenge) and hate those sort of problems in equal measure.

Would a little air getting in cause this? The seals are all new

Wearb

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Would a little air getting in cause this? The seals are all new

A little wouldn't, a lot might. It's just a matter of ruling out thing when you hit up against a problematic one like that. I always start by ruling out things that doesn't require parts.

Is nozzle/ head wet after it cuts out. Can you pull the PC after it fires up and shine a strong light on it.
Don't forget to try the can of kero.

You know as much about these as any of us, but sometimes it can be difficult to "see the wood for the trees".

jimf

now I know why I don't touch cookers

Dtp1979

jimf wrote: »

now I know why I don't touch cookers

And I know why I'll never go near them either again.
It was the photocell in the end. Had a new one fitted but turned out it was dodgy. I hate cookers. To change em you gotta cut the feckin wires. Stupid design.
I'll never go near them again.
But I'm sure I'll be back on here again soon after being stupid enough to forget how much I hate cookers
Thanks to all who helped.

Wearb

The rotten bitch. We all depend so much on new parts being in working order.

At least you got it sorted, never to return ;(

jimf

Wearb wrote: »

The rotten bitch. We all depend so much on new parts being in working order.

At least you got it sorted, never to return ;(

lets wait and see the lure of the easy euro :p