Mum jailed for €105k welfare fraud in Cork

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Nodin

JT26 wrote: »

Was looking at the examiner online and fell out of my chair almost ...105 k!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mum-jailed-for-105k-welfare-fraud-in-cork-372408.html



Nutty lenient sentencing again by the judiciary

That's 17,500 a year. All adds up.

How was she committing the fraud? impersonation or working and claiming? It's a bit vague on the detail.

Grab All Association

Too lenient compared to what a man would get

A man who stole at least €85,000 from the State by claiming social welfare under a false name 463 times has been jailed for three years.
Stefan Onofrei (34), of Bremore, Castlegate, Balbriggan, pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to six sample charges of theft of job seeker’s benefit, job seeker’s allowance, supplementary welfare allowance, emergency means payment, rent property supplement allowance and family income supplement on dates between January 9th, 2009 and February 10th, 2015.
Onofrei, who is originally from Romania, has no previous convictions.

whatismyname

Nodin wrote: »

How was she committing the fraud? impersonation or working and claiming? It's a bit vague on the detail.

From an earlier article http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cameroonian-nurse-found-guilty-of-crimes-of-greed-365512.html

Addressing the jury in advance of their deliberations yesterday, Pearse Sreenan, prosecuting, said: “The director’s view is that, in effect, this was an offence of greed. If she had disclosed her husband was working and if his income was low, she would still have been entitled to something, but she denied he was working at all. And she has shown absolutely no remorse.

“In her memo of interview with gardaí she always said she did not know what he was earning. But yesterday that took a flight of fancy where she said she did not know he was working. For six years he was going to work in the Blackrock Inn and she did not know he was working.

kettlehead

Why are we paying welfare to non Europeans with no previous work history in the state? What is this, Sweden?

Deport. Sending her to a women's "prison" will just waste even more money.

suicide_circus

I don't want her jailed for years but I do want her future state funding to be subject to a repayment plan.

Nodin

kettlehead wrote: »

Why are we paying welfare to non Europeans with no previous work history in the state? What is this, Sweden?

Deport. Sending her to a women's "prison" will just waste even more money.

.....you know this how?

kettlehead

suicide_circus wrote: »

I don't want her jailed for years but I do want her future state funding to be subject to a repayment plan.

So she can pay back the taxpayers funds she stole out of taxpayers funds?

kneemos

You'd imagine a simple cross reference system would have nailed it within six years.

whatismyname

kneemos wrote: »

You'd imagine a simple cross reference system would have nailed it within six years.

Would imagine so, but then again not sure it would work if her husband was actually working under an assumed name which she says was the case.

pablo128

kneemos wrote: »

You'd imagine a simple cross reference system would have nailed it within six years.

The husband was working under an assumed name. I'm surprised she was caught tbh. But well done to whoever caught them all the same.

kneemos

pablo128 wrote: »

The husband was working under an assumed name. I'm surprised she was caught tbh. But well done to whoever caught them all the same.

They'd have his RSI No. surely.

kettlehead

Nodin wrote: »

.....you know this how?

From the article:

Defence senior counsel James O’Mahony said remorse had since been expressed by the accused, Lydie Kana. He said she had not been able to work in Ireland as a nurse but that she would try to adapt her nursing training in Ireland so that she could work here in the future.

Paddy Cow

whatismyname wrote: »

Would imagine so, but then again not sure it would work if her husband was actually working under an assumed name which she says was the case.

Someone probably informed SW.

suicide_circus

kettlehead wrote: »

So she can pay back the taxpayers funds she stole out of taxpayers funds?

Pretty much. Reduce the amount to which she is actually entitled until she has "paid off" her scam. It's the only way to recoup a cent.

kettlehead

suicide_circus wrote: »

Pretty much. Reduce the amount to which she is actually entitled until she has "paid off" her scam. It's the only way to recoup a cent.

Deport her or give her the training needed so she can get certified here, earn her keep and so she can pay back the money out of her own pocket. If it's the latter then a stern warning that anymore funny business and you're out. Giving her more taxpayers money so she can pay back taxpayers money is for the birds.

saabsaab

The new PSC cards should almost eliminate multiple claims when it is completed for all adults in the state. Computer Photo ID match will pick these up as they occur. I would think that those from outside the state with no previous work history should not get any assistance payments here i.e. arrive here ans claim welfare immediately.

Son Of A Vidic

JT26 wrote: »

Nutty lenient sentencing again by the judiciary

Perhaps, but to put this crime in context. The clique of corrupt banking fraudsters who cost us taxpayers billions, will never see the inside of a prison.

Azalea

Grab All Association wrote: »

Too lenient compared to what a man would get

... "to what one particular man got", I assume you mean.

Skylinehead

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Perhaps, but to put this crime in context. The clique of corrupt banking fraudsters who cost us taxpayers billions, will never see the inside of a prison.

I must have imagined Sean Fitzpatricks ongoing trial, and the extradition procedure of David Drumm. Silly me.

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pablo128

JT26 wrote: »

Is that in the article too?

There's more than one article about the case on the internet.;)

Bongalongherb

And still no bankers in jail.

pablo128

Bongalongherb wrote: »

And still no bankers in jail.

Eh, yes there is.
https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjjoMSJ4-jJAhUICw8KHRQvDEkQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fcourts%2Fanglo-three-sentenced-to-jail-31417785.html&usg=AFQjCNEAbMjkAHv2NfNcjVNG90Yocr-o8g&bvm=bv.110151844,d.ZWU

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pablo128

JT26 wrote: »

Thanks for pointing that out..interesting reading so far

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjzsJi25ejJAhUFpw4KHd3WDU0QFggnMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fireland%2Fcameroonian-nurse-found-guilty-of-crimes-of-greed-365512.html&usg=AFQjCNG_bCqJXmT1zbGr-PlOm6S2spv5Tg

Knock yourself out.

kettlehead

So it looks like the husband was in on the act and working with a different PPSN to avoid detection?

steddyeddy

Meanwhile Haughey's family live on an island went to private school ect.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Meanwhile Haughey's family live on an island went to private school ect.

I think they live around Kinsealy?

PARlance

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think they live around Kinsealy?

Technically Kinsealy is "living on an island".

discus

steddyeddy wrote: »

Meanwhile Haughey's family live on an island went to private school ect.

Don't hate the class system. It would corrupt you too if you had a role in it. I can't wait to send my children to private school - I got my inheritance off my parents early, and it covers a few years of top notch schooling. Non of this grammar school for the young discii

steddyeddy

discus wrote: »

Don't hate the class system. It would corrupt you too if you had a role in it. I can't wait to send my children to private school - I got my inheritance off my parents early, and it covers a few years of top notch schooling. Non of this grammar school for the young discii

I don't believe in class.

Guy:Incognito

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't believe in class.

Thats evident alright.:)

Gatling

Both of them should be deported not before sizing any assets they have aquired with the fraud

dr.bollocko

Gatling wrote: »

Both of them should be deported not before sizing any assets they have aquired with the fraud

The state will have to pay to house all those empty boxes of john player blue.

Iwasfrozen

JT26 wrote: »

Was looking at the examiner online and fell out of my chair almost ...105 k!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mum-jailed-for-105k-welfare-fraud-in-cork-372408.html



Nutty lenient sentencing again by the judiciary

She should be forced to pay back every cent. Does she have any property she could sell?

kettlehead

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't believe in class.

The naïveté is strong in this one!