my fault ?

Taxuser1

I was contacted through a pm on this site about a bike component recently. I don't know if it had been up for sale here but it was on sale on adverts. regardless, after a bit of over and back asking most questions I had within my capacity of knowing about such things, bought the piece on the basis of the information given, but with a proviso to check with the bike shop.

after their quick check it became apparent that it wouldn't fit my bike no matter what effort was made.

I tried contacting the seller and he was adamant the piece would fit. 2 bike shops concurred that it wouldn't.

I contacted the seller again and he's gone to ground.

should I suck it up - i'm sure the seller is still on the site from time to time and is a known member of a good club. racing being a small circle, paths will cross I'm certain and it's just left a sour taste. the part was bought in good faith based on the information given which was incomplete.

smacl

My take on it is when you buy any second hand goods on-line, it is your responsibility to ensure they're fit for purpose before handing over your money, and that the goods are bought as seen and without warranty. Simplest solution might be to put the item back on adverts.

tunney

Taxuser1 wrote: »

I was contacted through a pm on this site about a bike component recently. I don't know if it had been up for sale here but it was on sale on adverts. regardless, after a bit of over and back asking most questions I had within my capacity of knowing about such things, bought the piece on the basis of the information given, but with a proviso to check with the bike shop.

after their quick check it became apparent that it wouldn't fit my bike no matter what effort was made.

I tried contacting the seller and he was adamant the piece would fit. 2 bike shops concurred that it wouldn't.

I contacted the seller again and he's gone to ground.

should I suck it up - i'm sure the seller is still on the site from time to time and is a known member of a good club. racing being a small circle, paths will cross I'm certain and it's just left a sour taste. the part was bought in good faith based on the information given which was incomplete.

You bought something. The item is as described but it doesn't fit your bike.

If you bought it from a bike shop they would be under no obligation to refund you. Why would a private sale be different? It sounds like nothing underhand was done - you hadn't done your homework. Unfortunate but like smacl said - sell it on to someone whose bike it will fit.

Whats the part and why won't it fit?

Taxuser1

To be fair, I had done plenty of homework but it wasn't something anyone knew in the bike shop until the part, a wired Dura Ace SRM, was tried on the bb86 frame. It just couldn't work. It was not anything related to the bottom bracket, it was sheared right into the frame with no clearance. So word to the wise if trying to mount one on newer frames. Mine is a 2012 argon gallium pro. The srm was a good bit older. Still cost a bit though.

Was told it will attach no issue to frames with threaded bottom brackets, just not the integrated ones.

tunney

Taxuser1 wrote: »

To be fair, I had done plenty of homework but it wasn't something anyone knew in the bike shop until the part, a wired Dura Ace SRM, was tried on the bb86 frame. It just couldn't work. It was not anything related to the bottom bracket, it was sheared right into the frame with no clearance. So word to the wise if trying to mount one on newer frames. Mine is a 2012 argon gallium pro. The srm was a good bit older. Still cost a bit though.

Was told it will attach no issue to frames with threaded bottom brackets, just not the integrated ones.

As an owner of a few sets of srms, all DA ones, over the years I can say that any bike ship worth their salt would know that SRMs won't fit that sort of bike. Indeed even looking at a photo of some SRMs would make the issue obvious. The plastic cap on the electronics would rub. Even on recent ones it would happen. 0/10 for your homework.

Sorry but in my opinion it is your fault.

tunney

Taxuser1 wrote: »

To be fair, I had done plenty of homework but it wasn't something anyone knew in the bike shop until the part, a wired Dura Ace SRM, was tried on the bb86 frame. It just couldn't work. It was not anything related to the bottom bracket, it was sheared right into the frame with no clearance. So word to the wise if trying to mount one on newer frames. Mine is a 2012 argon gallium pro. The srm was a good bit older. Still cost a bit though.

Was told it will attach no issue to frames with threaded bottom brackets, just not the integrated ones.

FWIW wired SRMs are vastly superior in terms of accuracy to anything on the market now, even wireless SRMs. Has a pair before.

easygoing39

OP,could you not fit the SRM to youre training bike?

roverrules

To be fair to the op

I had within my capacity of knowing about such things, bought the piece on the basis of the information given, but with a proviso to check with the bike shop.

He has expressed a requirement that he needed to check it, plus

I tried contacting the seller and he was adamant the piece would fit. 2 bike shops concurred that it wouldn't.

To my mind means the seller is at fault

Taxuser1

That's kind of why I'm put out. What I knew was that my standard ultegra 10 speed chainset worked. I knew I had changed from a compact ultegra 6800 do I knew that was no issue. I didn't think a dura ace crankset same bcd and axle length and weight would be an issue. The oversized bb shell was the problem. That I didn't know enough about. That's the concern I passed from the bike shop to the seller and was told it would work no hassles with a press fit bb. The seller had me convinced he knew about it.

Taxuser1

Width not weight of axle

smacl

roverrules wrote: »

To be fair to the op, he has expressed a requirement that he needed to check it. To my mind means the seller is at fault

If he had a requirement to check it out before purchasing it, he shouldn't have paid for it before doing so. Regardless of where the fault lies, getting your money back on something you bought second hand depends entirely on the good faith of the seller, and often isn't going to happen. Not nice, but caveat emptor and all that.

tunney

Taxuser1 wrote: »

That's kind of why I'm put out. What I knew was that my standard ultegra 10 speed chainset worked. I knew I had changed from a compact ultegra 6800 do I knew that was no issue. I didn't think a dura ace crankset same bcd and axle length and weight would be an issue. The oversized bb shell was the problem. That I didn't know enough about. That's the concern I passed from the bike shop to the seller and was told it would work no hassles with a press fit bb. The seller had me convinced he knew about it.

My mistake, I thought you were looking for people's opinions but I realised nuts you just want support regardless.

Taxuser1

tunney wrote: »

My mistake, I thought you were looking for people's opinions but I realised nuts you just want support regardless.

i'm just giving my point of view - the title is whether it's my fault or not? I got your take, should that be the end of it then ?

Taxuser1

smacl wrote: »

If he had a requirement to check it out before purchasing it, he shouldn't have paid for it before doing so. Regardless of where the fault lies, getting your money back on something you bought second hand depends entirely on the good faith of the seller, and often isn't going to happen. Not nice, but caveat emptor and all that.

in practice, there aren't many cases of this surely ? getting something from a stranger up the country and not pay for something in advance . we didn't live close by, it needed posting.

Taxuser1

easygoing39 wrote: »

OP,could you not fit the SRM to youre training bike?

sorry missed that,

no, this was to be for the race bike. it would fit the training bike but i've a powertap on it already

smacl

Taxuser1 wrote: »

in practice, there aren't many cases of this surely ? getting something from a stranger up the country and not pay for something in advance . we didn't live close by, it needed posting.

All I'm saying is that its the risk you take buying 2nd hand goods from a stranger or site like adverts. If you paid via card or paypal, and the goods weren't as advertised, you could look to cancelling the payment but I doubt you'd get very far in this instance. Given how you describe the transaction, while the seller may have been morally dubious in suggesting the item would suit your needs, unless you've been supplied with some kind of written warranty to that effect, you don't really have much comeback. If it was a significant amount of money and you could track the person sown, you could always pester the bejaysus out of them and hope the nuisance value might make them relent, but it would probably be easier to chalk it down to experience and sell the part on to someone else.

MayoAreMagic

In fairness, if the stipulation of checking with the bike shop was part of the deal, then the seller is at fault for not sticking to the terms.

fat bloke

How can (basically) a shimano crank not fit a bike? Any bike?

tunney

fat bloke wrote: »

How can (basically) a shimano crank not fit a bike? Any bike?

SRM machine out the centre of DA cranks. They put in electronics and other stuff. This makes the hollow centre less hollow.

The other thing in all this is that there are always three sides to a story.
Each side and then the truth.

Taxuser1

i'd welcome the seller to refute anything i've said here. I made known my limitations and knowlede base. I asked the relevant questions, I could. I purchased on the basis of trust.

Tunney, you seem quite het up about it. almost all my posts have had some barbed response from you. This is a discussion. You seem to be taking me on a little in each response ? I didn't buy this from you, wonder why you're getting affronted?

tunney

Taxuser1 wrote: »

i'd welcome the seller to refute anything i've said here. I made known my limitations and knowlede base. I asked the relevant questions, I could. I purchased on the basis of trust.

Tunney, you seem quite het up about it. almost all my posts have had some barbed response from you. This is a discussion. You seem to be taking me on a little in each response ? I didn't buy this from you, wonder why you're getting affronted?

I like SRMs, I've sold multiple pairs in the past, I've experience as the seller.
Also I think you are wrong. I still use DA SRMs with a nice new PC8.

Don't think there are many people here who have been on the other side of the equation here - that is selling SRMs (including DA ones) second hand.

I do understand you would prefer uninformed posters that are more sympathetic to your position though.

Anyways, leave you to it now.

godtabh

tunney wrote: »

I like SRMs, I've sold multiple pairs in the past, I've experience as the seller.
Also I think you are wrong. I still use DA SRMs with a nice new PC8.

Don't think there are many people here who have been on the other side of the equation here - that is selling SRMs (including DA ones) second hand.

I do understand you would prefer uninformed posters that are more sympathetic to your position though.

Anyways, leave you to it now.

I dont think that the case. There is a genuine issue here that I see. He was told the sale was subject to LBS conformation on compatibility. It has now been confirmed they arent compatibility. The question now asked should a refund be given.

For me the answer is yes based on what has been said.

Maybe Taxuser1 should have been more cautious (he defo will be next time!) but given the size and general closes of the bike community I think this is bad form.

roverrules

godtabh wrote: »

I dont think that the case. There is a genuine issue here that I see. He was told the sale was subject to LBS conformation on compatibility. It has now been confirmed they arent compatibility. The question now asked should a refund be given.

For me the answer is yes based on what has been said.

Maybe Taxuser1 should have been more cautious (he defo will be next time!) but given the size and general closes of the bike community I think this is bad form.

+1 to this, getting to be more and more like buying cars and spares, trust no one.