Lance Armstrong Interview on Joe Rogan Podcast

BofaDeezNuhtz

:cool:

Dishin' da durt

ThisRegard

He ran a trail race over in the US recently (the weekend I think), and won. Bit of controversy as some believe he should never have been allowed run it in the first place.

Eamonnator

Did it have Doping Control?

Sugarlumps

Creepy guy.

godtabh

ThisRegard wrote: »

He ran a trail race over in the US recently (the weekend I think), and won. Bit of controversy as some believe he should never have been allowed run it in the first place.

What's running got to do with his cycling ban? Given the state of athletics he's probably at home there

ThisRegard

godtabh wrote: »

What's running got to do with his cycling ban? Given the state of athletics he's probably at home there

His cycling ban in relevant to any event in which he participates athletically so it's everything to do with it.

His edge he gained from cheating doesn't end when he steps off a bike and that his moral compass suddenly corrects itself?

Why would anyone in any other sport want him?

dastardly00

Is this worth watching?

godtabh

ThisRegard wrote: »

His cycling ban in relevant to any event in which he participates athletically so it's everything to do with it.

His edge he gained from cheating doesn't end when he steps off a bike and that his moral compass suddenly corrects itself?

Why would anyone in any other sport want him?

He cheated at cycling and got banned from that. Who gives a fcuk what he does after that?

Peterx

godtabh wrote: »

He cheated at cycling and got banned from that. Who gives a fcuk what he does after that?

A clean runner who was cheated out of a place by a proven drug cheat?

edit - although in fairness clean runners can have proven drug cheats from within their own sports beat them out of medal positions so a cyclist drug cheat doing it shouldn't be anything different - given the current rules whereby you cannot ban for life.

ThisRegard

godtabh wrote: »

He cheated at cycling and got banned from that. Who gives a fcuk what he does after that?

Everyone running in the same race as him, well those as the sharp end of the race anyway.

Bristolscale7

A good listen. He is fairly candid, "I could have doped and NOT been an asshole."

Leroy42

Have only listened to the 1st 40 minutes or so but so far it does show a fairly candid side. He seems, he says himself, to finally have coped on to the basis of the feelings of resentment towards him. Sure it was the cheating, but it was more so that he was an arsehole as well.

I agree with his point about not being mentally ready for the Oprah interview. He was still in attack mode then and was trying to salvage something so the interview just came across as being half arsed. He did his admission but wouldn't go any further with the view that thats all he needed to do.

He still comes across as someone who thinks he made the right choice, it was either take the drugs or go home. So he went with the drugs. Doesn't stike me as even entering his mind that go home could have been an option

CatFromHue

Leroy42 wrote: »

Have only listened to the 1st 40 minutes or so but so far it does show a fairly candid side. He seems, he says himself, to finally have coped on to the basis of the feelings of resentment towards him. Sure it was the cheating, but it was more so that he was an arsehole as well.

I thought around the hour mark there was a change in that he slipped back into the attack mode, for want of a better phrase. I'll spolier what I think he was getting at

I thought around then he started to play the victim card in saying Nivotsky et al only went after him as they needed to justify their wages and then there's the comparison to his crimes and the banking crisis.

petethedrummer

And just to clear up the error at around 20 mins, Livestrong does not fund cancer research.
http://www.outsideonline.com/1904781/its-not-about-lab-rats?page=1

https://youtu.be/rEfSdPz1WtA?t=19m55s

cajonlardo

"travelled the world and sat down with them and apologised..."

Did he meet with Kimmage? Anyone hear about that and how it went?

Junior

godtabh wrote: »

He cheated at cycling and got banned from that. Who gives a fcuk what he does after that?

No he got a lifetime ban from all competitive sports, not just cycling. Just for clarity.

petethedrummer

Bristolscale7 wrote: »

"NOT been an asshole."

I have the intro line for a new fly on the wall documentary...

He recovered from life threating cancer.
He won the Tour de France 7 times.
Now he faces his toughest challenge yet.

Lance Armstrong is Not Being An...

godtabh

Junior wrote: »

No he got a lifetime ban from all competitive sports, not just cycling. Just for clarity.

So the event he entered wasn't a competitive event? Again who cares?

Raam

godtabh wrote: »

So the event he entered wasn't a competitive event? Again who cares?

Some people in the trail running community care.
http://running.competitor.com/2015/12/news/lance-armstrong-wins-35k-trail-running-race-in-california_141905

Bristolscale7

He says that he doesn't cycle anymore and gives a few specious reasons (too long to get ready/equivalent benefit from 1 hour run as 3 hour cycle). However, I suspect the real reason, and this is common to many retired professional cyclists, is that the moment Armstrong takes to the road he risks getting dropped by a 24 year old CAT. 2 rider in the hills outside of Austin.

ThisRegard

Bristolscale7 wrote: »

He says that he doesn't cycle anymore and gives a few specious reasons (too long to get ready/equivalent benefit from 1 hour run as 3 hour cycle).

Not that I like to defend the man, but that can be a pretty valid reason in fairness. Well it's an excuse I use all the time anyway, particularly when I'm pushed for time. By the time I've got all the cycling gear together I can be already out there running.

Bristolscale7

Yeah, fair enough thisregard.

fat bloke

Not sure how he could be that stuck for time! He's hardly pulling 8 til 6 shifts at the Walmart is he?

ThisRegard

Middle aged laziness maybe.

dragratchet

listened to the lot over a couple evenings.. massive bro-hug the whole thing. Rogan has a soft spot for the pro cyclers

ThisRegard

Was in Easons today and spotted Emma O'Reilly's book, surprised to see Armstrong wrote the foreword.

ednwireland

no one cares anymore should be starved of the oxygen of publicity imo

Bolloxology

ThisRegard wrote: »

Was in Easons today and spotted Emma O'Reilly's book, surprised to see Armstrong wrote the foreword.

Just recently finished reading it, not a bad read overall,however, it is clear Ms O'Reilly had/has a soft spot for LA.
Notwithstanding LA's c*ntish behaviour towards herself it is also clear he genuinely had a lot of time for her.
She's looking to sell a book and tell her side,he's in a conciliatory mood and needs to make amends. Win win in my book (pardon the pun).

BryanL

Podcast is just more spin, armstrong wants his spin on everything. He needs people to believe in his gospel.

Americans came to europe and were shocked by the EPO "most chose to stay and fight" like they were better men than guys that wouldn't juice.
he subtly uses WE when talking about decision to use epo and glosses over the fact they were already using cortisone injections etc.

he says it was a "****ed up time in cycling" but he was very much the Patron of the bunch and showed by his example that the road to success was to follow his drugged up lead.
Guys like Mark Scanlon showed by their example that riding clean in a peloton lead by Armstrong was going to lead to failure, Ciaran Power 13th in the Olympics couldn't even become a pro in europe because these other guys were at a different level, yet armstrong wants us to believe he won 7 tours fair?

OleRodrigo

Did he get a marginal gain from EPO, or due to his particular physiology did he receive a huge performance gain? If it wasn't for the juice, can we determine what level he would have been at?

He seems to gloss over this in the interview as if the benefit he received would have been equal to anyone else doing the same. This is something Rogan should have pressed him on, actually, as MMA has its own history with drugs.

Bristolscale7

OleRodrigo wrote: »

Did he get a marginal gain from EPO, or due to his particular physiology did he receive a huge performance gain? If it wasn't for the juice, can we determine what level he would have been at?

He seems to gloss over this in the interview as if the benefit he received would have been equal to anyone else doing the same. This is something Rogan should have pressed him on, actually, as MMA has its own history with drugs.

According to wikipedia armstrong's VO2 max is much lower than indurain or lemond.