Foreign Birth Registration

jay93

Hi, just wondering if anyone had any knowledge on this subject.

In April 2016 my kid will be born in america to his american mother i'm not american or have american citizenship i'm Irish i was born here to my Irish parents. Do i have to register the baby to get a Irish passport for him or can i get one regardless?

And i noticed if i was to register him it's asking for THREE different proof of residency is this proof of where i live in Ireland or America as we will be registering him over there ? I'm very confused as you can see

Thanks for any help!

njs030

You should contact the Irish embassy nearest to where you are living in America to get a passport, you won't be applying through the Dublin office.

Just re-read your post, are you in a relationship with the child's mother and living in America or are you in Ireland?
If you aren't together you will probably need guardianship of the child before you can apply for a passport- you have no parental rights without being married. Get those first!!

GerardKeating

jay93 wrote: »

Hi, just wondering if anyone had any knowledge on this subject.

In April 2016 my kid will be born in america to his american mother i'm not american or have american citizenship i'm Irish i was born here to my Irish parents. Do i have to register the baby to get a Irish passport for him or can i get one regardless?

And i noticed if i was to register him it's asking for THREE different proof of residency is this proof of where i live in Ireland or America as we will be registering him over there ? I'm very confused as you can see

Thanks for any help!

As mention by another poster, you need to record the child's birth with "foreign birth register of the nearest Irish Embassy.

Note there is a slight "difference" to your child's citizenship because they are born abroad, If born in Ireland, they are citizen from birth, but when born abroad, they are citizen from the date the birth is recorded on the Foreign birth register.

lonestargirl

If the OP is an Irish born Irish citizen then his child is automatically an Irish citizen. Foreign birth registration is for claiming Irish citizenship, for example this would apply if the OP's child stayed in the US and then had a child there who wanted to claim Irish citizenship. I have a US born child with an Irish passport and all I needed was my passport to prove his citizenship.

This link from dfa explain it well
https://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenship/citizenship/born-abroad/registering-a-foreign-birth/

There was also a discussion on this in this forum a number of moths ago if you a search

jay93

lonestargirl wrote: »

If the OP is an Irish born Irish citizen then his child is automatically an Irish citizen. Foreign birth registration is for claiming Irish citizenship, for example this would apply if the OP's child stayed in the US and then had a child there who wanted to claim Irish citizenship. I have a US born child with an Irish passport and all I needed was my passport to prove his citizenship.

This link from dfa explain it well
https://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenship/citizenship/born-abroad/registering-a-foreign-birth/

There was also a discussion on this in this forum a number of moths ago if you a search

Thanks for that yeah I'm Irish all my family have been living in Ireland for probably hundreds of years. I'm still in a relationship with my kids mother and I'll be going to the states when he's been born for a few months, am I right in saying I can get him the passport no problem without going through the foreign birth registration. From what I have read online even if he's born in America ones I'm Irish it says he's automatically an Irish citizen. I have no problem going through the foreign birth register but most people saying it's not needed to get him an Irish passport.

lonestargirl

No you don't need foreign birth registration, he will be a citizen from the minute he is born (a passport is only proof of citizenship). He will be a US citizen too by virtue of being born there (even if his mother isn't). You will need the mother's consent to apply for an Irish passport

jay93

lonestargirl wrote: »

No you don't need foreign birth registration, he will be a citizen from the minute he is born (a passport is only proof of citizenship). He will be a US citizen too by virtue of being born there (even if his mother isn't). You will need the mother's consent to apply for an Irish passport

thanks! He's born around 3 weeks now I might wait a while to apply for the passport he won't be leaving the USA til next year maybe anyway! But good to know I don't have to do the foreign birth registration. What benefits would he get if I did go through the foreign birth registration? I'm assuming he can't get A PPS number without doing that.

SuperS54

Check with the embassy. When my son was born almost 2 years ago in Asia, I had to get a foreign births registration as the country I live in has no central government birth database available to me (as a foreigner here) only the record from the hospital.

jay93

He's an American since his mother lives here and he just got his social security number today from the US government. I'll have to contact the Irish embassy to see how this will all work out for his Irish citizenship.

njs030

I don't understand the confusion, if one of his parents is born in Ireland and is an Irish citizen he is automatically an Irish citizen. Presumably he'll have dual citizenship.

What do you need to contact the embassy for?

jay93

I'm confused as to why I'd need to do a foreign birth registration or not. If we were to move to Ireland would I be able to him a PPS number for example even though I don't do the foreign birth registration ?

SuperS54

notjustsweet wrote: »

I don't understand the confusion, if one of his parents is born in Ireland and is an Irish citizen he is automatically an Irish citizen. Presumably he'll have dual citizenship.

What do you need to contact the embassy for?

Presumably he'll need to have the embassy process the passport application.

njs030

SuperS54 wrote: »

Presumably he'll need to have the embassy process the passport application.

He's talking about foreign birth registration when there's no need for it....that's my confusion.

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Mrs OBumble

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This, and more.

The kid has all he needs for now: a SSN, US citizenship and thus the right to a US passport.

He also probably has the right to apply for an Irish passport: I'm not sure if the father and mother not being married will be an issue: as a foreign-born Irish national, I had to supply my parents marriage-certificate, and my own long-form birth certificate. It's likely that some evidence of parentage will be looked for, as well as the mother's consent.

But he (or his parents on his behalf) only need to exercise this right to a 2nd passport if he comes here for longer than is allowed under a tourist visa. Apart from that, it's a waste of money to be paying for dual passports. Especially for a kid, for whom the photo gets out of date impossibly quickly.

wokingvoter

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

This, and more.

The kid has all he needs for now: a SSN, US citizenship and thus the right to a US passport.

He also probably has the right to apply for an Irish passport: I'm not sure if the father and mother not being married will be an issue: as a foreign-born Irish national, I had to supply my parents marriage-certificate, and my own long-form birth certificate. It's likely that some evidence of parentage will be looked for, as well as the mother's consent.

But he (or his parents on his behalf) only need to exercise this right to a 2nd passport if he comes here for longer than is allowed under a tourist visa. Apart from that, it's a waste of money to be paying for dual passports. Especially for a kid, for whom the photo gets out of date impossibly quickly.

My brother, an Irish born Irish citizen who lives in France, has just got 2 Irish passports for his two French born baby daughters. The babies mother is Spanish. Hes not married to her, but they do live together.
Acquiring the passports was very straightforward no foreign birth registration required.

jay93

Thanks I just didn't know if I needed to register him or not but I see now all I need is his birth certificate and my own if I'm applying for a passport sometime in the future.

Mfwic_47

lONESTARGIRL, Hi. My Mom was born of Irish parents in Philadelphia. Can I get a copy of her Foreign Birth registration? I was on the DFA site and I'm in the process of registering my USA born son, as am I, and I think it would help if I had her registration #.

Were you born in Texas? West Tex is great but Lone Star was a horrible beer. One of only two I know of that tasted worse as you drank more!

Thanks for any help.

Frank

brdst3r

Does the same apply for a baby born abroad to Irish *naturalised* parents?

Will the child be able to apply for Irish passport or Foreign Birth Registration is needed?