Liability of animal sold that dies

C4d78

Sold few cull cows privately out of parlour and dried and teat sealed. Was told one died day after sold. Do I've any liability or what do people think. All cows were healthy imo when they left and didn't have any history of illness. Would people make an offer of half value?
What happens in this scenario if animal was sold in mart?

barnaman

Need to have it sent to DVO Lab to determine cause of death. Not for you to do that. If was something should been obvious or was result of poor health management before sale you would have a case to answer breach of contract ie seeling an animal as healthy when not. Otherwise not see a hope you been liable. Personally I would split the price as one cull cow is not worth much and better to have you seen as a straight lad then word going around even though not true as some lad off loading dodgy cows could not get into the factory or the like. see below by way.

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/the-law-protects-you-from-being-hoodwinked-on-livestock-deals-34142995.html

whelan2

When did they contact you about death? If there was a case a post Morten would need to be done, otherwise it's just their word against yours. You sold the animal fit for purpose as was

C4d78

whelan2 wrote: »

When did they contact you about death? If there was a case a post Morten would need to be done, otherwise it's just their word against yours. You sold the animal fit for purpose as was

Contacted day after sale was completed. A post mortem was carried by vet and samples were to be sent to lab. Even if nothing shows I guess just to keep good name I'd feel obliged to compensate to some degree.
Was just wondering what others would do if post mortem showed up clear.

Base price

How long before you sold them did you administer intermammary tubes and teat sealer.
Reason I ask is that it is illegal to sell animals before withdrawal dates are up.

1- If I sold the animals to someone that I knew and one died the next day then I would refund them the money.
2- If it was to a stranger then I would want Veterinary opinion (buyers Vet) to consult with our Vet to verify the cause of death. If my Vet did not agree then lab results if available and if not do a deal!
In a mart - total minefield - any announcements at point of sale, Dept of Agri Vet comments, conditions of sale, what ring they were sold in etc.

whelan2

A few lads that I have sold culls to ask to have them dried off as part of the sale agreement. If she died that quick it sounds like a heart attack. From past experience you need to get an independent vet to do a post Mortem.

fattycrowe

whelan2 wrote:

A few lads that I have sold culls to ask to have them dried off as part of the sale agreement. If she died that quick it sounds like a heart attack. From past experience you need to get an independent vet to do a post Mortem.

You can't assume that if it's a quick death that it's a heart attack. There could be a number of reasons of death. Get your vet & buyers vet discussing the case findings. Re post mortem, the quicker the better. A clearer view of the animal always yields within 24 hrs. Your vet will confirm this point. After that decomposition quickly effects findings as this effects blood work, bacteriology, parasitology etc.

C4d78

Base price wrote: »

How long before you sold them did you administer intermammary tubes and teat sealer.
Reason I ask is that it is illegal to sell animals before withdrawal dates are up.

1- If I sold the animals to someone that I knew and one died the next day then I would refund them the money.
2- If it was to a stranger then I would want Veterinary opinion (buyers Vet) to consult with our Vet to verify the cause of death. If my Vet did not agree then lab results if available and if not do a deal!
In a mart - total minefield - any announcements at point of sale, Dept of Agri Vet comments, conditions of sale, what ring they were sold in etc.

Discussed treatment and dry off procedure as part of terms of sale. It was agreed they'd only get sealers and they left yard 24 hrs after.
I had them on straw to soak up and told purchaser to leave on straw for few more days.
Think they went on haylage in his yard and I don't think this helped with them drying up process.
Doubt it would lead to death thou? Being over fed and being sealed??

Base price

C4d78 wrote: »

Discussed treatment and dry off procedure as part of terms of sale. It was agreed they'd only get sealers and they left yard 24 hrs after.
I had them on straw to soak up and told purchaser to leave on straw for few more days.
Think they went on haylage in his yard and I don't think this helped with them drying up process.
Doubt it would lead to death thou? Being over fed and being sealed??

Until a Vet has a look at the carcass we are only guessing.

Sam Kade

I bought bullocks at a mart in 09 one week after one died from black leg, though I had to take the loss myself. One of the same batch had a cut leg after arriving on farm, I had to get vet and pay for myself :mad: bullock survived

whelan2

Sam Kade wrote: »

I bought bullocks at a mart in 09 one week after one died from black leg, though I had to take the loss myself. One of the same batch had a cut leg after arriving on farm, I had to get vet and pay for myself :mad: bullock survived

Did you go back to previous owner?