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Unprovoked attack

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  • 11-12-2015 3:45pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭


    Boards is great for answers to something you are curious about.

    A few day ago a story came in on my news feed about an unprovoked attack on a cyclist in Dundrum by two drunk men and by all accounts it was a savage attack, now the men did not know the victim it was not a row or anything like that.

    In your opinion what causes unprovoked attacks like that, Is the person born with an aggressive personality?, is it a mixture of nature and nurturer? how does alcohol physiologically change the person and make them aggressive.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    people are still apes at a base level


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    Drink can release the inner scumbag.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 178 ✭✭BenedrylPete


    you can't say it was unprovoked if the victims were cyclists.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Two drunk men beat a cycles?









    Edit, OP correct their post now... fun's over folks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭RHJ


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭RHJ


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    RHJ wrote: »
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    But not everyone is violent and aggressive and remember it was an impersonal attack they did not know the victim.

    Also what need is being met or what satisfaction is there in kicking and beating someone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    I've been "jumped" twice in what were completely unprovoked incidents. They didn't want money or anything, just to be violent and try to beat the **** into me. One definitely wasn't drunk and anyway the drink is a complete red herring imo. If you're going out doing that, there's something wrong deep down regardless.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    biko wrote: »
    Two drunk men beat a cycles?

    I think he meant to say cyclops.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    RHJ wrote: »
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    Says you Mr. Science Man but down here we don't believe in that type of heresy.

    We ain't related to no monkeys. My cousin ain't no orangutan. My Daddy ain't no rhesus monkey. My brother ain't no white-headed capuchin. My sister ain't no baboon.... well that's a bad example there cause she actually is part baboon but I stand by the rest of them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    c_man wrote: »
    I've been "jumped" twice in what were completely unprovoked incidents. They didn't want money or anything, just to be violent and try to beat the **** into me. One definitely wasn't drunk and anyway the drink is a complete red herring imo. If you're going out doing that, there's something wrong deep down regardless.

    So you would go with they are psychopaths theory? probable born like that. Although they had previous convictions for violent offences they had normal lives one was an engineering student and one was an apprentice elicitation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    This will end well ..


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    I think he meant to say cyclops.


    It's tough being a cyclops these days. You'd nearly want eyes in the back of your head...



    (Sorry, sorry... :o )


  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Wizard!


    RHJ wrote: »
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    And so the unproved theories begin...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    mariaalice wrote: »
    So you would go with they are psychopaths theory? probable born like that. Although they had previous convictions for violent offences they had normal lives one was an engineering student and one was an apprentice elicitation.


    Why not? Most psychopaths lead perfectly normal lives. They do not all turn out like Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy.

    Though I would have to argue that convictions for violent offences are not part and parcel of a normal lifestyle


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    c_man wrote: »
    I've been "jumped" twice in what were completely unprovoked incidents. They didn't want money or anything, just to be violent and try to beat the **** into me. One definitely wasn't drunk and anyway the drink is a complete red herring imo. If you're going out doing that, there's something wrong deep down regardless.

    I agree with you. I know there are plenty of incidents where drink has exacerbated a perceived slight and made violence seem like a reasonable response but I don't believe it's the huge exacerbater (word?) in unprovoked assaults that people think it is. Yeah, they're drunk when they do it but I've drunk with hundreds of people and nobody has ever suggested attacking a random passerby when I've drunk with them and it's not that I don't know anyone with violent tendencies. I think there are people who actively drink to enable their bad behavior and kind of excuse it, it's all a smokescreen to satisfy their sadistic tendencies coupled with a bit of mob mentality from the stragglers. It's rare that you read or hear that someone was so drunk they attacked a passing group of fully grown men. It's always multiple people attacking smaller groups or people on their own.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 178 ✭✭BenedrylPete


    RHJ wrote: »
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    so is your face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    RHJ wrote: »
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    FYP ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Scumbags gonna scumbag.

    An unfortunate trait of our modern society.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    Jealousy and spite are generally the front runners in seemingly unprovoked attacks (and mindless vandalism).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Is this the first time anyone has ever been beaten up in Dundrum? The most horrific thing I've ever seen up there has been the prices in House of Fraser.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭randy hickey


    There's two sides to every story.

    I've seen Ray Darcy cycling around Dundrum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    people are still apes at a base level

    There's probably a very thin line between being civilised and savage. Certain people can revert back to savage behaviour in a split second when they blow their top. Notice how a human will instinctively reach for the neck or go for the head or chest, these are the areas they can inflict the most harm.

    For those few seconds the person is a wild animal, their rage overrides their conscience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Ronnie Pickering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    There's probably a very thin line between being civilised and savage. Certain people can revert back to savage behaviour in a split second when they blow their top. Notice how a human will instinctively reach for the neck or go for the head or chest, these are the areas they can inflict the most harm.

    For those few seconds the person is a wild animal, their rage overrides their conscience.

    yeah throw alcohol in the mix and we are like that evolution picture of ape morphing into man in stages...only going in reverse


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,300 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    It's rare that you read or hear that someone was so drunk they attacked a passing group of fully grown men.
    Because the person shall claim to be the victim....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Ronnie Pickering.

    Who?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    lukesmom wrote: »
    Drink can release the inner scumbag.

    Absolutely, but even without the drink, sooner or later the inner scumbag is released with these people. If it was not after a few pints, it would most likely manifest itself in other ways such as being violent when stressed out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Lack of parental guidance, lack of punishment from the state, lack of fear of repurcussions and then add in genuine, age old assholeness.

    Its not because were apes, plenty of other apes the world over do not live in societies that are so quick to use violence. We must be one of the few nations that allows people to commit crime by hurting and taking from decent working tax payers and then continues to use that tax money to supplement said scumbags lifestyle while simultaniously using it as an excuse for his behaviour.

    I dont avocate a 3 strike system but at the very least punish people. Yu get a parking ticket, it hurts your pocket. A scumbag robs someone and it has no impact on their pocket. Wheres the justice?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Who?


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