Tyson fury vs Mike Tyson

badabing106

Who do you think would win?

Could a disciplined Tyson Fury be able to frustrate and wear the smaller man out, or would an explosive Mike Tyson send Furys head catapulting into row z?

Johner

Peak Tyson decapitates Fury in a round or two.

Peter Anthony

Fury would win, the size difference itself is enormous. He's a foot taller and 40-50 pounds bigger. I like Mike but he's so overrated its hilarious. Fury also has a better win 2 weekends ago than Mike Tyson had in his entire career.

To some people Prime Mike Tyson beats everyone. And yet in his career this did not happen, Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield (twice ) handled "prime" Mike. And post "prime" lets not go there. Fury would stay on the outside and jab Mikes head off and probably KO him, hes far too big.

Peter Anthony

Johner wrote: »

Peak Tyson decapitates Fury in a round or two.

Pretty hard to decapitate a man when you're not even up to his chest.

Mike would get thrown around like a rag doll. He had a nice documentary but the don't believe the hype.

StringerBell

Holyfield was not a prime Mike Tyson, and is one of the ATG's so really it wouldn't be much shame anyway, Douglas, well that has been well documented at this stage, and tbh he still won the fight the ref just counted slow! He had Douglas down for about a 13 count if I remember correctly, and thats with a training camp of coke and hookers!

Prime Mike tears Fury asunder pretty quick, he does not have 40-50 pounds on him either!

I can't see how Fury avoids getting caught and I don't think it would take too many punches either

You may not have noticed but the size difference was not as towering as you might think the last time Mike fought a man who was 6' 8 or 6' 9

You can't throw people in boxing, you may be thinking about MMA

Corholio

Peter Anthony wrote: »

Pretty hard to decapitate a man when you're not even up to his chest.

Mike would get thrown around like a rag doll. He had a nice documentary but the don't believe the hype.

The hype? He's been retired for years. Mike was already on the other side of hype.

Tyson would beat Fury no doubt. Since when did Fury get to be put in these fantasy matches? He needs to show he's a world champion and not just simply become one.

Peter Anthony

Corholio wrote: »

Since when did Fury get to be put in these fantasy matches? He needs to show he's a world champion and not just simply become one.

That makes no sense.

Furys just unified the HW division away against the undisputed HW World Champion who has undefeated for the past 10 years. If that doesn't show hes a World Champion nothing does.

And its also a greater win than any Mike Tyson has on his resume.

Peter Anthony

StringerBell wrote: »

Holyfield was not a prime Mike Tyson, and is one of the ATG's so really it wouldn't be much shame anyway, Douglas, well that has been well documented at this stage, and tbh he still won the fight the ref just counted slow! He had Douglas down for about a 13 count if I remember correctly, and thats with a training camp of coke and hookers!

Prime Mike tears Fury asunder pretty quick, he does not have 40-50 pounds on him either!

I can't see how Fury avoids getting caught and I don't think it would take too many punches either

You may not have noticed but the size difference was not as towering as you might think the last time Mike fought a man who was 6' 8 or 6' 9

You can't throw people in boxing, you may be thinking about MMA

:rolleyes:

Come on really, Douglas won just accept Buster Douglas beat Tyson. The lengths people will go to make excuses for him, he could have had a full camp of eating McDonalds happy meals its his fault for not preparing properly.

I like Mike have his book which is a good read. But the size difference is huge 1 foot and Tyson Fury has already proven himself capable of dethroning a champion in Wlad who is far bigger than Mike.

Peter Anthony

I dont expect to get reasonable discussion anyway because most people hate and criminally underrate Fury while cream themselves over Mike Tyson and highly overrate him.

If some people meet in the middle it would be good, but its interesting. The size difference is a huge issue nobody can say it isnt because there would not be weight classes at all if it didnt matter.

Henno30

Size difference and Fury's jab are both significant factors. But I think they are two different classes of fighter. I think a prime Tyson would probably overwhelm Fury and knock him out, as Fury's defence doesn't look that sound to me. Nullifying the offence of a tentative, backfoot fighter like Wlad is a whole different story to nullifying the offence of one of the most aggressive heavyweight champions in history.

Mantis Toboggan

Fury is a foot taller and has a 14 inch reach advantage!! That's a serious disadvantage for Mike. Fury fighting behind the jab and with good movement is hard bet. Getting on the inside and catching him flush is easier said than done. Fury also has shown that he can get up of the floor and win.

These fantasy match ups are a little silly tbh but if I was putting the house on it I'd have to say Fury. For me he'd win 7 times out of 10.

weemcd

Good question. A prime Mike with good head movement who went full throttle from the first bell has a good chance, provided he starts early and puts a pace on Fury. I'd imagine he can wear him down hooking to the body and sapping the arms of Fury before connecting flush on the chin and putting him down in the mid rounds. Fury would probably get up but there aren't many ever who could take a clean hook from Tyson. I'd imagine Tyson stops him after a knockdown or two.

However if Fury made it awkward, used his huge reach and frustrated Tyson in a manner similar to Holyfield he stands a chance.

Very intriguing fight, the two would look like they are in completely different weight divisions. Fury's size is without a doubt a factor, could be a help or a hindrance depending on the pace of the fight. V. Interested in seeing other (more knowledgeable) posters thoughts on this one tho.

Andre 3000

I think Tyson would beat Tyson.

megadodge

Peter Anthony wrote: »

Fury would win, the size difference itself is enormous. He's a foot taller and 40-50 pounds bigger. I like Mike but he's so overrated its hilarious. Fury also has a better win 2 weekends ago than Mike Tyson had in his entire career.

To some people Prime Mike Tyson beats everyone. And yet in his career this did not happen, Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield (twice ) handled "prime" Mike. And post "prime" lets not go there. Fury would stay on the outside and jab Mikes head off and probably KO him, hes far too big.

God help you when Walshb returns!

Actually, he might end up getting another ban in his first reply back :pac:

Nunu

What's going on here?��

I'm old enough to remember Tyson pre Buster Douglas. He was a force of nature. Went off the rails no doubt but 'prime' Tyson wipes the floor with Fury.

davegrohl48

Prime Mike Tyson was not hit clean by guys who were 6'6" and 6'5" and much better athletes and boxers than Tyson Fury. The division was much stronger in those days.
When they would attempt to tie him up his shorter powerful arms were able to wear down the hold of the opponent. He could also generate knockout power with hooks to the head at guys sometimes 6'7" having to throw upwards. It was never any problem. Tyson Fury 6'9" bit more difficult, but he can reach him.
His hooks to the body were rib cracking also.
Tyson Fury could survive a few rounds with his barrell torso and keeping his chin up and left jab out. But after a few rounds Mike Tyson lands that hook to the head and he'd win.

Ninap

Mike would have made mincemeat of Fury. Fury is champion for a wet week, having beaten an ageing Klitschko who seemed unable to throw a punch. Tyson held three belts at 20, beat Spinks and Holmes, and was operating when boxing was a much bigger deal than it is now. Fury's size would have meant nothing. Mike would have pulverised him at his peak. (His sad decline shouldn't blind us to his incredible talent.)

endacl

It'd be like Alien v Predator. Very hard to root for either side. Who's the baddie?

magma69

Steve Cunningham, a career cruiserweight, knocked Fury on his arse and had him all over the shop. That's all I have to say on it.

badabing106

magma69 wrote: »

Steve Cunningham, a career cruiserweight, knocked Fury on his arse and had him all over the shop. That's all I have to say on it.

That was Tyson show boating and taking the piss. Playacting for the TV without his coach in the corner. We are talking about the disciplined guy that shut out klitschko and chisora before that.

Peter Anthony

magma69 wrote: »

Steve Cunningham, a career cruiserweight, knocked Fury on his arse and had him all over the shop. That's all I have to say on it.

Steve Cunningham was a 7 time World Champion and one of the best Cruiserweights of all time. He fought at HW just like Evander Holyfield and David Haye moved up. Certainly no Buster Douglas.

And lets not forget he was brutally sparked out cold by Fury, you left that part out.

Peter Anthony

Ninap wrote: »

Mike would have made mincemeat of Fury. Fury is champion for a wet week, having beaten an ageing Klitschko who seemed unable to throw a punch. Tyson held three belts at 20, beat Spinks and Holmes, and was operating when boxing was a much bigger deal than it is now. Fury's size would have meant nothing. Mike would have pulverised him at his peak. (His sad decline shouldn't blind us to his incredible talent.)

An ageing Wlad is such a pathetic excuse. He's been undefeated for 11 years or more and smashed through everyone in his path.

Wlad was unable to throw a punch because of Furys movement. Thats boxing. Look at Floyd Mayweathers career for a further example, particularly the Canelo fight where Canelo got abuse for "not throwing". You cant hit what you cant see

davegrohl48

Peter Anthony wrote: »

An ageing Wlad is such a pathetic excuse. He's been undefeated for 11 years or more and smashed through everyone in his path.

Wlad was unable to throw a punch because of Furys movement. Thats boxing. Look at Floyd Mayweathers career for a further example, particularly the Canelo fight where Canelo got abuse for "not throwing". You cant hit what you cant see

Fury was tagged much more by much inferior fighters. Often going the distance. Iv yet to see him be a classic boxing exponent of hit and dont get hit. There is a lot of revisionism on the quality of Fury now that he has beaten Wlad.
Watch them stretch it out to 4 or 5 years before taking on Joshua.

Henno30

Peter Anthony wrote: »

An ageing Wlad is such a pathetic excuse. He's been undefeated for 11 years or more and smashed through everyone in his path.

Wlad was unable to throw a punch because of Furys movement. Thats boxing. Look at Floyd Mayweathers career for a further example, particularly the Canelo fight where Canelo got abuse for "not throwing". You cant hit what you cant see

Granted Fury's movement limited Wlad's scoring opportunities, but he was in range on numerous occasions and was unable to pull the trigger on the right hand.

And age is never a pathetic excuse for a 40 year old fighter.

megadodge

I'm not getting into the whole 'who would have won' thing, but whenever Mike Tyson gets discussed on forums it's inevitable that the VERY LONG line of excuses that are always trotted out for Mike (but nobody else in similar circumstances) are repeated ad nauseum by his disciples, who just cannot accept that maybe he wasn't the greatest of all-time.

It's grand looking at his 'best of' KOs, but in truth there are countless boxers out there who have similar spectacular KOs against poor and middling opposition. It's how you do against quality opposition that matters - and there wasn't a whole lot of quality in Mike Tyson's era.

The generation of fighters that Tyson fought (and others he didn't) were widely known as 'The Cocaine Generation' or 'The Lost Generation'. Surely I don't have to explain why. Any talent they had went up their nose. Off the top of my head the following world title opponents of Mike Tyson were known drug abusers while still boxing - Trevor Berbick, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs and Tony Tubbs. Doubtless there were others. Yet these names are usually trotted out as high quality opponents, when the reality was they were NOT!

When asked what his best wins are, Tyson fans always claim Spinks. Think about that. A LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT!! Not even a cruiserweight! Spinks was one of the all-time great light-heavies, but his only achievement of note at heavy was stopping an ancient Larry Holmes from equalling Rocky Marciano's record and then getting a dodgy decision in the rematch. When Joe Frazier's best wins are discussed, absolutely nobody ever mentions his KO2 over Bob Foster, an equally great light-heavy to Spinks, because it doesn't warrant a mention when you take into account the good/great heavies he beat.

And don't even get me started on Mike's "prime". 1986-1988 is generally referred to as his peak, which logically means we are expected to believe a 23 year old is past his best!! Honestly??? NOBODY is past their peak at 23!

His attitude and resulting lack of discipline were a big problem, but these are qualities that all the great fighters had/have and allowed them to remain at the top for a lot longer and against better opposition than Tyson. The lack of those qualities can't be ignored and struck off because you like his style, but in Tyson's case they usually are.

davegrohl48
Prime Mike Tyson was not hit clean by guys who were 6'6" and 6'5" and much better athletes and boxers than Tyson Fury. The division was much stronger in those days.
When they would attempt to tie him up his shorter powerful arms were able to wear down the hold of the opponent. He could also generate knockout power with hooks to the head at guys sometimes 6'7" having to throw upwards. It was never any problem.

Can you name all these athletic 6'7" boxers Mike Tyson fought?

davegrohl48

Im wrong on further checking. Mike Tyson fought guys from 6'3" to 6'5" with an odd guy 6'6". I still think it was a better era with better opponents than recent heavyweight challengers have provided. Tysons speed was gone after his release from jail and his whole game plan went with it.
For the Douglas fight it was his own fault for turning up in bad shape literally in the sweats before the fight, consequences of his bad lifestyle before the fight.
I believe Lennon Lewis is the best heavyweight of all time for what its worth.

Guy:Incognito

megadodge wrote: »

but his only achievement of note at heavy was stopping an ancient Larry Holmes ?

That doesnt say a lot for Fury beating Wlad at 39 if 36 is ancient. EDIT, He hadnt yet turned 36.

megadodge

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That doesnt say a lot for Fury beating Wlad at 39 if 36 is ancient. EDIT, He hadnt yet turned 36.

Where in my post did I even mention Tyson Fury?

Choochtown

Tyson was past his prime by the time Buster Douglas beat him. His legacy is seriously damaged by his performances from this point onwards. The Tyson that destroyed Berbick, Smith, Holmes, Spinks, etc had phenomenal strength, fitness, hand speed, movement and knockout power. Fight fans above a certain age will remember how invincible he was.
Had he been looked after (there's no doubt he needed looking after) then I think he would have been the best of all time. Unfortunately too many people judge Tyson's ability on the Holyfield fights.
Fury has a lot more to do before he can seriously be considered to be anyway near the class of Tyson.

megadodge

Choochtown wrote: »

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Tyson was past his prime by the time Buster Douglas beat him.

At 23 years of age??? I mean seriously, come on!!

The Tyson that destroyed Berbick, Smith,

He beat Bonecrusher over 12 boring rounds. He didn't destroy him.

Fight fans above a certain age will remember how invincible he was.

Nope, he was never invincible.... although trying to tell that to Tyson fans is next to pointless. KTFO at 23 is hardly invincible?

Unfortunately too many people judge Tyson's ability on the Holyfield fights.

Unfortunately too many Tyson fans completely ignore his losses, just blank them out as if they never happened. And when they are forced to discuss them, they start talking about his 'prime' from 20 to 22 years of age!! Well those losses happened and they were decisive losses, mainly because his opponents weren't scared of him. Once the intimidation factor no longer existed he wasn't half the fighter people thought he was.

Fury has a lot more to do before he can seriously be considered to be anyway near the class of Tyson

I actually agree with you on that point.

davegrohl48

Tyson was in his prime up to the point of going to jail. After jail his slight loss of speed and fitness meant his initial game plan fighting from the dodging peek a boo style wouldn't work anymore. Where once he was slipping shots now some of those shots were landing. His slight loss of speed meant he couldnt counter like he used to. He got many of his early career knockouts countering quicker than his opponent could get out of the way.
The Tyson that fought Douglas beat himself with a rock n roll lifestyle of partying n women leading up to the fight. If you see the start of the fight he was in the sweats from an std was reported. Douglas did fight an effective fight though. Tyson had four more wins against decent opponents before going to jail.
Tyson was a pure explosive type athlete. Once you got him past round six his workrate dropped. No matter what his training or lifestyle you can never get stamina into a purely explosive athlete. It was the reason his speed was so great, he was simply born with that type of raw speed.
No heavyweight has proven unbeatable. Its the nature of the division that on any given night the right punch can take a man out.
Marviano went unbeaten, but he had only 6 title defences. His record is also so weak you can dismiss it. I once checked every fighter on his record and it was awful.

Choochtown

I appreciate that a heavyweight boxer may not peak until they are past 30 years of age but are people seriously suggesting that Tyson after the Douglas fight was better than before simply because he was nearer to the age at which boxers will peak?

I would have thought it fairly obvious in terms of power, hand speed, stamina and ringcraft that a 22 year old Tyson is far superior to the shadow of himself that fought Holyfield. The reasons for this are well documented.

In my opinion a 22 year old Tyson beats Fury. A 30 year old Tyson may have problems.

alex.middleton

trend of massively tall fighters would prove difficult for mike perhaps.. look at lennox lewis he did have problems getting inside him but this was also a less motivated mike tyson who perhaps lacked some of the speed/explosive power from the first chapter of his career.

section4

the only similarity is the name
mike tyson was a level above tyson fury
Tyson fury would get knocked out by bonecrusher smith
pf that i have no doubt

The only reason TysonFury is champ is because
he beat an old man, if tyson fury was any good
he would have done what douglas done to tyson
but he didnt have the guts to trade with a clearly
slower old man, who was years past it, he is a joke.