Need to change tractor

2pack

on the look out for tractor and have decided on either a NW TM125 or Case MX135 which i saw lately, both tractors are 2002 and in good condition.
Case is cheaper.
What your opinions on these

IH784man

What tractor do you have already,do you need all the horsepower

2pack

got a Massey 699, could do with more hp and time for a change and now got a round baler and found the 699 slow and under powered

GERMAN ROCKS

2pack wrote: »

got a Massey 699, could do with more hp and time for a change and now got a round baler and found the 699 slow and under powered

how come ur not sticking with the massey brand? its big massey country around here.

Sunderz95

Case cs130 or cs150 good solid tractor. Hard found with low hours though.

2pack

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

how come ur not sticking with the massey brand? its big massey country around here.

not great the 3000 or 6000 series, just heard good reports about the mx and nh

2pack

Sunderz95 wrote: »

Case cs130 or cs150 good solid tractor. Hard found with low hours though.

you dont rate the mx then?

RightTurnClyde

2pack wrote: »

on the look out for tractor and have decided on either a NW TM125 or Case MX135 which i saw lately, both tractors are 2002 and in good condition.
Case is cheaper.
What your opinions on these

First tractor I ever bought was a 2nd hand mx120. Always regretted trading it in. Loved it. Found it to be a great tractor, you'll never get to the end of the Cummings engine. The 120 I had was maybe a little underpowered for a big bodied tractor, the 135 should be fine.
Super tractor to pull and great hydraulics.
What kind of work are you doing with it.

td5man

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

First tractor I ever bought was a 2nd hand mx120. Always regretted trading it in. Loved it. Found it to be a great tractor, you'll never get to the end of the Cummings engine. The 120 I had was maybe a little underpowered for a big bodied tractor, the 135 should be fine.
Super tractor to pull and great hydraulics.
What kind of work are you doing with it.

Same engine and backend 110-135 you can easily get 150hp out of them.

Carrigogunnell

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

First tractor I ever bought was a 2nd hand mx120. Always regretted trading it in. Loved it. Found it to be a great tractor, you'll never get to the end of the Cummings engine. The 120 I had was maybe a little underpowered for a big bodied tractor, the 135 should be fine.
Super tractor to pull and great hydraulics.
What kind of work are you doing with it.

Local farm here has a mx110 and there's close to 30000 hrs on it. Cosmeticly tis rough but never did the engine or box spent the winter driving a big Keenan but the clutch pack sh*t itself last year so they put it on the 7220

johndeere3350

The crown wheel is prone to breaking on the mx 135 they have a light back end if you want a good case a mx 150 or 170 are the boys but there serious alcoholics.
The case cs are a good tractor but there's over 100 wires going to the gearstick I tink.
There prone to shorting out there
.
The tm are fairly good the head needs to be done at 8k hours as they tend to drop a valve after that.
The synchros in the rc gearbox need doing around them hours too.
If they go your in the region of 4k to rebuild.
It's hard beat a john deere In my book

lakill Farm

look at the mccormick

I could be wrong but the 6 cylinder aren't that much off the case mx range and would be cheaper

I have a little cx105 and its a really nice tractor

td5man

lakill Farm wrote: »

look at the mccormick

I could be wrong but the 6 cylinder aren't that much off the case mx range and would be cheaper

I have a little cx105 and its a really nice tractor

Cheaper but with a perkins engine.

MFdaveIreland

2pack, Have you considered an MF 6290? Best massey ever built in my mind. Always found the Ford/ NH/ Case IH to be a faster '40k' than most others. The older ford 7840s were flying machines on the road. the case MX 110 etc are big tractors . As mentioned the MX 150 is an animal if you need pulling power. I know a man with a mx120 and got into a mx150 at silage. he said it was a different animal all together. He could point it at anything and it will climb.

in contrast to most, i wouldnt get a tractor that will 'just about' do your work, if you can get decent power for your money, especially on a baler, you may as well.

davidk1394

Is the TM classic command or power command ? Good tractor but during the summer are like an oven with the heat off the back end.

Sunderz95

2pack wrote:

you dont rate the mx then?

Wouldn't have any experience with them so couldn't say!

MFdaveIreland

Have you a budget for a tractor more so than a particular liking for a given model.

johndeere3350

MFdaveIreland wrote: »

2pack, Have you considered an MF 6290? Best massey ever built in my mind. Always found the Ford/ NH/ Case IH to be a faster '40k' than most others. The older ford 7840s were flying machines on the road. the case MX 110 etc are big tractors . As mentioned the MX 150 is an animal if you need pulling power. I know a man with a mx120 and got into a mx150 at silage. he said it was a different animal all together. He could point it at anything and it will climb.

in contrast to most, i wouldnt get a tractor that will 'just about' do your work, if you can get decent power for your money, especially on a baler, you may as well.

I wouldn't agree on the 6290 there rough on the road and the electronics can kick up on them small fiddly things.
Also the price of parts from massey are just pure robbery

trabpc

johndeere3350 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree on the 6290 there rough on the road and the electronics can kick up on them small fiddly things.
Also the price of parts from massey are just pure robbery

Is that not the 6100 series your thinking of. Few around here no issues.

kevthegaff

Are parts for John deeres and masses not a rip off? All I've heard is good things about the tm range, valmet are meant to be good also

IH784man

kevthegaff wrote: »

Are parts for John deeres and masses not a rip off? All I've heard is good things about the tm range, valmet are meant to be good also

I think the bigger tms have electrical problems like the 175

White Clover

IH784man wrote: »

I think the bigger tms have electrical problems like the 175

165 175 & 190 all known to be troublesome. 6290 MF are a good tractor.

Grueller

Followed a 6290 for a neighbour here. I thought she was a sow on diesel. She was on a welger baler. Had followed a TM 120 on the same baler and thought the massey was about 20% thirstier but that was just an impression not backed up by figures taken or anything.

johndeere3350

No its the 6290 I'm tinking of nothing major like the 61 but still there's bits there all the Same.
They are a bit heavy on fuel but has a small tank so might add to confusion. The tank is in a stupid place in them too.
There's plenty of places to go for john deere parts besides the dealer.
Good few lads up the Midlands have great prices on there parts.

johndeere3350

White Clover wrote: »

165 175 & 190 all known to be troublesome. 6290 MF are a good tractor.

Tm 165 is a mighty tractor but a serious sow on fuel.
She would burn alot of 45litres an hour if you worked her hard.
The bigger ones had a complicated electronic spool cable system which gave bother and was rocket money to change.

Dawggone

johndeere3350 wrote: »

Tm 165 is a mighty tractor but a serious sow on fuel.
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I've had a couple of TM 165 and they were ok on diesel until they were wound up to 200+hp.

johndeere3350

Dawggone wrote: »

I've had a couple of TM 165 and they were ok on diesel until they were wound up to 200+hp.

What kinda litres an hour were you burning.
We have to remeber this man only has a 699 so he is going to get a fair fright

Dawggone

johndeere3350 wrote: »

What kinda litres an hour were you burning.
We have to remeber this man only has a 699 so he is going to get a fair fright

I honestly couldn't say how much they burned, but it was quite a lot as they were well wound up. Tbf I had them doing work that was probably at their limit.




A 699 is only a girls machine!!

frazzledhome

I've had 2 5465's here. Really basic 6cyl 125 hp. Super for towing and would eat a big tanker or baler.

Very basic tractor and would recommend the Dyna 4. Never an ounce of bother. Both bought from new. If I needed a second tractor or loader tractor they'd be top of my list. The 54 series will become a classic

rangler1

Trading my zetor 9641 at the moment, hard to trade it anywhere only for another zetor.
An alright tractor but the new ones are coming with all this emissions stuff that's adding about 7k on to price.
so they're no longer the value they used to be, They used to be ideal for the 400hrs/year drystock farmer.
Going for the 100hsx, so should be nicely spec'd

kevthegaff

Dawggone wrote: »

I've had a couple of TM 165 and they were ok on diesel until they were wound up to 200+hp.

Had you ever any fiats? I've grown up with them, prob a little bias but great tractor!

Dawggone

kevthegaff wrote: »

Had you ever any fiats? I've grown up with them, prob a little bias but great tractor!

Yep. Had a 160/90 and a 180/90.
Good robust tractors but not a nice place to spend a day.


Never had a bother with them.

IH784man

Dawggone wrote: »

Yep. Had a 160/90 and a 180/90.
Good robust tractors but not a nice place to spend a day.


Never had a bother with them.

Agree with that,some modles are expensive,spent a day wrapping in a 80-90,bravely fed up after it in fairness,cab was rotten which is common in them and cab was to small.

Great grunt in her though for the size of it,pity the tires were bare on it

kevthegaff

Dawggone wrote: »

Yep. Had a 160/90 and a 180/90.
Good robust tractors but not a nice place to spend a day.


Never had a bother with them.

those 160 and 180 s commanding serious twine still and twenty five years old, favourite tractors but at the price/year I'll be going TM in the near future

tomwaterford

IH784man wrote: »

Agree with that,some modles are expensive,spent a day wrapping in a 80-90,bravely fed up after it in fairness,cab was rotten which is common in them and cab was to small.

Great grunt in her though for the size of it,pity the tires were bare on it

Jesus must have been on its knees for oil flow?

jaymla627

kevthegaff wrote: »

those 160 and 180 s commanding serious twine still and twenty five years old, favourite tractors but at the price/year I'll be going TM in the near future

The steering lock was their biggest bug bear of mine you would want a airfield to turn them, would love a late 96/97 f140 if I could find a clean one they where a gorgeous tractor....

IH784man

tomwaterford wrote: »

Jesus must have been on its knees for oil flow?

Wasn't so bad actually,but I was used to a landini vision for the wrapping and she is fairly fast,
I had the oil on but I didn't realise to about 60 bales later that the lever didn't stay the full way up,so I had to tie it forward and then it was as good as any other tractor,I on,y drove her for the first time that morning in fairness.

tomwaterford

IH784man wrote: »

Wasn't so bad actually,but I was used to a landini vision for the wrapping and she is fairly fast,
I had the oil on but I didn't realise to about 60 bales later that the lever didn't stay the full way up,so I had to tie it forward and then it was as good as any other tractor,I on,y drove her for the first time that morning in fairness.

It is one area fiats are known to badly fail on is oil flow (hense slow loaders)...they get quite hot afaik if worked hard all day...it's just there outdated for modern contracting requirements

IH784man

tomwaterford wrote: »

It is one area fiats are known to badly fail on is oil flow (hense slow loaders)...they get quite hot afaik if worked hard all day...it's just there outdated for modern contracting requirements

I think your right there,I think if your going out contracting you may aswell get the best tractor that suits your needs that you can afford,no point messing about with older machines,I was about 25 bales behind the baler that day with the fait but I'm usually about 10-15 with the landini.

Saying that I do like a nice blue 110-90

kevthegaff

IH784man wrote: »

I think your right there,I think if your going out contracting you may aswell get the best tractor that suits your needs that you can afford,no point messing about with older machines,I was about 25 bales behind the baler that day with the fait but I'm usually about 10-15 with the landini.

Saying that I do like a nice blue 110-90

We're the blues made in Argentina/brazil or was that bull

Nekarsulm

Never heard that one . Doubt it. Italian built.

cute geoge

Looking at tractors in main dealers yard ,for a tractor with a price of 35k if one was buying straight how much would you be expected to pay.
Some garages give savage prices for trade ins and i presume this is added on to the price of purchase.

moll3

sorry now for cutting in on this thread,but im going looking at a 2680 massey over the weekend,is there any thing i should look out for

tomwaterford

cute geoge wrote: »

Looking at tractors in main dealers yard ,for a tractor with a price of 35k if one was buying straight how much would you be expected to pay.
Some garages give savage prices for trade ins and i presume this is added on to the price of purchase.

Them old fiat design tractors (tumosan??) a lad I know in tipp bought a new one all in with loader for 39K....but you are dealing with a 30 odd year old technology...dunno about comfort levels etc...,maybe an air seat can be fitted??

2pack

have to look at 1998 MF 6170, tidy 13k euros, what they like?

Zr105

2pack wrote: »

have to look at 1998 MF 6170, tidy 13k euros, what they like?

Electric left hand shuttles gave bother, a lot were converted to right hand manual shuttle

2pack

Zr105 wrote: »

Electric left hand shuttles gave bother, a lot were converted to right hand manual shuttle

not a good buy then