Luas line names

Stephen15

Now with Luas CC coming in would it not make more if the two Luas lines were renamed simply 1 and 2 or A and B. Like buses it would make more sense as Luas green line or Luas red line is a bit of a mouthful compared 1 or 2. Have Alfa suffixes like on buses as well for example. Still have red and green but only have them appear on maps. This system would also be kinder to our non-English speaking friends.
For example

1- Broombridge to Brides Glen

1a Broombridge to Sandyford

2 The Point/Connolly to Tallaght

2a The Point/Connolly to Saggart

2b All trams to Connolly

2c All trams terminating at The Red Cow

MrMorooka

Stephen15 wrote: »

Now with Luas CC about to come in

It's still 2 years away.

L1011

Stop isn't called Three Arena nor is it ever likely to

tabbey

The Red and Green titles work fine.

The Red line passes through Red Cow, the Green line - St Stephen's Green, they are easy to remember and make sense.

Many other cities have colours , and London has names for it's underground lines. They work well and reflect their heritage.

Don't change what is not broken, just build on it.

Chris_5339762

tabbey wrote: »

The Red line passes through Red Cow, the Green line - St Stephen's Green, they are easy to remember and make sense.

That scares me because I've never realised that despite the fact that it makes perfect sense!

LXFlyer

As above, the London Underground works off the basis of names, and most lines have several branches - people manage perfectly well by looking at the destination on the front of the trains there, and can do so here too.

Dravokivich

Heck even the commuter/dart services on Irish Rail have route numbers but we all refer to the services by their terminating Station. Such as Maynooth, Docklands, Celbridge, Howth, Bray, Greystones...

Stephen15

tabbey wrote: »

The Red and Green titles work fine.

The Red line passes through Red Cow, the Green line - St Stephen's Green, they are easy to remember and make sense.

Many other cities have colours , and London has names for it's underground lines. They work well and reflect their heritage.

Don't change what is not broken, just build on it.

All I'm saying is there could be some some confusion when Luas cc comes the system works fine now with the lines unconnected but there could be some confusion when cc comes in. The example I'm thinking of is Berlin where all the trams are numbered with Ms and numbers eg. M1 and the U-bahn is numbered a U in front of a number eg. U2. I find U2 or M1 easier to say than Luas red line or the Piccadilly line.

Dodge

There are thousands of problems with transport in this country

The naming of Luas lines is not one of them

Dravokivich

Stephen15 wrote: »

All I'm saying is there could be some some confusion when Luas cc comes the system works fine now with the lines unconnected but there could be some confusion when cc comes in. The example I'm thinking of is Berlin where all the trams are numbered with Ms and numbers eg. M1 and the U-bahn is numbered a U in front of a number eg. U2. I find U2 or M1 easier to say than Luas red line or the Piccadilly line.

They are not going to "connect" though.

And it's not confusing getting the 2 from either the Point or Connolly?

zanardi

tabbey wrote: »

The Red and Green titles work fine.

The Red line passes through Red Cow, the Green line - St Stephen's Green, they are easy to remember and make sense.

Many other cities have colours , and London has names for it's underground lines. They work well and reflect their heritage.

Don't change what is not broken, just build on it.

Plenty of colours on the Red line. Along with Red Cow we also have Bluebell Blackhorse and Goldenbridge which break the simplicity somewhat.

It's cryptically like a resistor colour code (26 Ohms ± 5%).

savagethegoat

Stephen15 wrote: »

Now with Luas CC coming in would it not make more if the two Luas lines were renamed simply 1 and 2 or A and B. Like buses it would make more sense as Luas green line or Luas red line is a bit of a mouthful compared 1 or 2. Have Alfa suffixes like on buses as well for example. Still have red and green but only have them appear on maps. This system would also be kinder to our non-English speaking friends.
For example

1- Broombridge to Brides Glen

1a Broombridge to Sandyford

2 The Point/Connolly to Tallaght

2a The Point/Connolly to Saggart

2b All trams to Connolly

2c All trams terminating at The Red Cow

why on earth would you confuse the issue with a b and c when you have all the number 3 to infinity available!

cerastes

Stephen15 wrote: »

Now with Luas CC coming in would it not make more if the two Luas lines were renamed simply 1 and 2 or A and B. Like buses it would make more sense as Luas green line or Luas red line is a bit of a mouthful compared 1 or 2. Have Alfa suffixes like on buses as well for example. Still have red and green but only have them appear on maps. This system would also be kinder to our non-English speaking friends.
For example

1- Broombridge to Brides Glen

1a Broombridge to Sandyford

2 The Point/Connolly to Tallaght

2a The Point/Connolly to Saggart

2b All trams to Connolly

2c All trams terminating at The Red Cow

Tbh, colour coding would be kinder to non english or non native speakers I think, even that list would have me make a double take to confirm whats what.
Any expansion in different directions should follow the same identification, I know it's not happening but another route (further) north or south could be the yellow or purple lines, the CC could be the blue line (just checking what CC route was, the line is in blue so I gave that as the reason here).
Why differentiate by a number only or an a,b,c when the LUAS (all them) that travels up and down a line pass all those points?

Everyone knows the Red and Green lines, whatever is wrong with the identification, altering it now will be worse, just fix anything wrong with it, not that I think there is a problem with the Red or Green nomenclature anyway.

amdublin

Maybe I'm years two late but what confuses me is the red line that doesn't go where you went (the point village) and instead terminates at connolly. What's that all about????

Day Lewin

For my part, I prefer "real names" much easier to remember than alpha-numerics. There is nothing "identifying" about numbers at all.

At first I used to not know which line was which, until someone pointed out that the Green Line goes from Stephen's Green.
(and someone cheekily added, that the Red Line goes past a Red Light district!).

And I'd be in no hurry to copy other cities: "Keeping up with the Joneses" is a dud's game.

The question of how to describe the different possible sections does deserve some careful thought: but the good clear station announcements should help to avoid confusion: and the classic clear mass-transit style maps in all coaches and stops will help the non-English speaker - and the dyslexic.

mahoganygas

I fail to see how red line and green line is more of a "mouthful" than line 1 and line 2?

2 words. 1 syllable each.

Also try to imagine a large map of Dublin in the future with several lines snaking around the city. At a glance you can see which is the red line and which is the purple line.

It's not so easy to identify a number.

tabbey

When I worked on London Underground years ago, tourists would often refer to lines as the purple or green lines, according to their colour on the diagram of lines.

n97 mini

Kind of like the Xpresso busses.

In my case the 66X goes from UCD to 4 different end points. Makes no sense that they are all called the 66X. All unique services should have a unique identifier.

Stephen15

mahoganygas wrote: »

I fail to see how red line and green line is more of a "mouthful" than line 1 and line 2?

2 words. 1 syllable each.

Also try to imagine a large map of Dublin in the future with several lines snaking around the city. At a glance you can see which is the red line and which is the purple line.

It's not so easy to identify a number.

Did you read my post I said they would appear as colours on maps.

Carawaystick

n97 mini wrote: »

Kind of like the Xpresso busses.

In my case the 66X goes from UCD to 4 different end points. Makes no sense that they are all called the 66X. All unique services should have a unique identifier.

Amen.
All busses that take a different route to others should have a different route designation.
The 33X and 33D at least do this.

I notice that the naming of the 2 tram lines doesn't get any mention on the why does Dublin have such poor public transport thread....

Victor

I think it was a poor choice to name one of the lines the Green Line, given the DART's strong green theme.

10 years ago, the RPA expected them to end up being called the Tallaght line and the Sandyford line in popular usage.

Metro North was slated to be the Blue line, likely using the Luas name, not the Metro name.

Primary colours aren't a bad way of naming lines, but purple, beige and salmon are out. They translate somewhat amongst the main Western European languages. I suspect numbers would work better, as more than 99% of tourists can raise 1-10 fingers if things get desperate.

Letters are inappropriate as they can be confused with numbers (visually - just watch people at a route 15 stop when the 150 or 151 go by) and each other (verbally, in different languages - what is called "e" in English is pronounced "ay" in German).