Levafas diamond

Omallep2

Hi, any value in giving the above to mature cows (I know ideally I'd have taken dung samples but only have small no (10))?
Thanks

greysides

There are better and more time-appropriate doses available. For example, Panacur orally at housing and Fasinex two weeks later. Combination products usually involve some compromise.

farawaygrass

greysides wrote: »

There are better and more time-appropriate doses available. For example, Panacur orally at housing and Fasinex two weeks later. Combination products usually involve some compromise.

Not going against what your saying one bit as you know your stuff, but we had one white cow who was always filthy from scour, no dose seemed to clear her up. Vet said use levafas diamond. She dried up, cleaned up and I'm not exaggerating she nearly double in weight over a short time.

patsy_mccabe

farawaygrass wrote: »

Not going against what your saying one bit as you know your stuff, but we had one white cow who was always filthy from scour, no dose seemed to clear her up. Vet said use levafas diamond. She dried up, cleaned up and I'm not exaggerating she nearly double in weight over a short time.

Rumen Fluke, I'd say.

The Cuban

Omallep2 wrote: »

Hi, any value in giving the above to mature cows (I know ideally I'd have taken dung samples but only have small no (10))?
Thanks

I find this a very good dose but you need to be ultra careful with the amount you give them and make sure its the correct amount per weight as this stuff is quiet severe on the animal.

sonnybill

The Cuban wrote: »

I find this a very good dose but you need to be ultra careful with the amount you give them and make sure its the correct amount per weight as this stuff is quiet severe on the animal.

+1

No extra 30ml needed here! I sickened few heifers rightly one time but great dose IMO

The Cuban

sonnybill wrote: »

+1

No extra 30ml needed here! I sickened few heifers rightly one time but great dose IMO

Same here, Sickened a right big cow with it. Cow thrived the following year though:D

greysides

farawaygrass wrote: »

Not going against what your saying one bit as you know your stuff, but we had one white cow who was always filthy from scour, no dose seemed to clear her up. Vet said use levafas diamond. She dried up, cleaned up and I'm not exaggerating she nearly double in weight over a short time.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Rumen Fluke, I'd say.

Sounds very likely to have been RF.

Current advice coming to us is to treat for the normal parasites and then consider RF if you don't get the expected response. With that kind of advice there's no point choosing your doses to suit what's most likely to be the exception rather than the rule.

It does leave you liable to being caught out but treating for RF and not properly treating for Liver fluke because of your choice of dose isn't sensible. If you feel you must, then dose at different times with different doses chosen to work well against the target parasite of that occasion.

Levafas is a combination of levamisole, which won't deal with the inhibited stomach worms which can be present at this time of year, and rafoxanide/Zanil which only gets adult Liver fluke which would be the fluke that entered the animal 10-12 weeks ago...early to mid Sept. How important those will be could be based on your locality. For drier land in the East of the country that could be a very small amount of infestation.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

There are better and more time-appropriate doses available. For example, Panacur orally at housing and Fasinex two weeks later. Combination products usually involve some compromise.

what I was going to use was endofluke gets fluke if they have being in for two weeks, and ivormection does for for the worms maybe a pour on or would I be better with a drench at least or an injection as I'd be more sure they are dosed correctly

what about this one its a cheaper version of endofluke or am I better off with the real thing?
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/triclaben-10-5-litre

leoch

I done all early spring calfs with animec pour on and some with albenix 10% and noticed alot of them coughing alot this evening tyey were done 7th nov wat should I use now I wonder

greysides

limo_100 wrote: »

what about this one its a cheaper version of endofluke or am I better off with the real thing?
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/triclaben-10-5-litre

It it meets the necessary standards to be approved for sale, it should be okay.

greysides

leoch wrote: »

I done all early spring calfs with animec pour on and some with albenix 10% and noticed alot of them coughing alot this evening tyey were done 7th nov wat should I use now I wonder

Could be a respiratory virus, you'd need to talk to your vet.

leoch

greysides wrote: »

Could be a respiratory virus, you'd need to talk to your vet.

Say it was wat would he need to do to find out

greysides

Leoch, he might be happy to come to that conclusion after talking to you, as he'd know your circumstances, or he might want to examine a few to check.

leoch

greysides wrote: »

Leoch, he might be happy to come to that conclusion after talking to you, as he'd know your circumstances, or he might want to examine a few to check.

Would dung samples be worth while or blood samples noticed one or two with bad thrive too so would like to get to bottom of it in saying that they are all eating grand.. bought I a few too this last few weeks and put them in with them so Tha may be something aswell

greysides

Not trying to avoid giving you an answer but a chat with your vet would be best to discuss all those things. Your previous dosing history, the pattern of disease on your farm plus the locally known deficiency areas are all factors that come into it.

angusangus

Was told by an experienced farmer that levafas diamond was good on young stock but not strong enough for cows with rumen fluke? Yes dung samples are essential really for little cost think it cost me 30 over all for a collective sample of 10% of the herd

leoch

greysides wrote: »

Not trying to avoid giving you an answer but a chat with your vet would be best to discuss all those things. Your previous dosing history, the pattern of disease on your farm plus the locally known deficiency areas are all factors that come into it.

Yea thanks for ur reply's greysides but I rarely get vet out for these things except for tb testing I sort of don't like over using alymicen an let things take its course alot of the time that's why I was wondering wat he would do to find out wat the problem was if I did get him to call out

greysides

A thermometer would probably go a long way......

A lot of cattle will be coughing and snotty at the moment. Most will get over it without incident. Just watch closely for any going off their feed or looking excessively dopey.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

It it meets the necessary standards to be approved for sale, it should be okay.

maybe it wouldn't be as good as the endo or fasinex would it?? what would you recommend as the best worn treatment at this time of the year?? and is it necessary to do cows for worms?

leoch

greysides wrote: »

A thermometer would probably go a long way......

A lot of cattle will be coughing and snotty at the moment. Most will get over it without incident. Just watch closely for any going off their feed or looking excessively dopey.

Yea ur right thanks again

greysides

limo_100 wrote: »

maybe it wouldn't be as good as the endo or fasinex would it??

In general, these generics should be up to speed but sometimes people reckon they can find slight differences in response, so............ *shrug*

what would you recommend as the best worm treatment at this time of the year??

I don't really recommend any one product. It may be influenced by previous use and previous results. I wouldn't recommend anything containing levamisole though as type II (inhibited) worms won't be hit by it.
Choice can be restricted if there's reason not to want to go wrestling with heads (age, injury).
Basically, choice is either a white dose or ivermectin-type.

and is it necessary to do cows for worms?

Some people would say it's not........... my attitude is it's the cheapest feeding you'll give them all winter. Clean cows going out will not contaminate the pastures either.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

In general, these generics should be up to speed but sometimes people reckon they can find slight differences in response, so............ *shrug*



I don't really recommend any one product. It may be influenced by previous use and previous results. I wouldn't recommend anything containing levamisole though as type II (inhibited) worms won't be hit by it.
Choice can be restricted if there's reason not to want to go wrestling with heads (age, injury).
Basically, choice is either a white dose or ivermectin-type.



Some people would say it's not........... my attitude is it's the cheapest feeding you'll give them all winter. Clean cows going out will not contaminate the pastures either.

I'll go for one of them cheap ivomac based products so cause I'll be drenching them with the fluke drench save the old lad wrestling with them all day


People round us are always saying that the cheaper ivomacs are not asgood as ivomac but to be honest I cant see and difference tbh whats peoples opinion on the cheaper ivenmacs??

greysides

Personally, I'm leery of some of the generic ivomecs. I recommend people take manufacturer into account when choosing which one to go with.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

Personally, I'm leery of some of the generic ivomecs. I recommend people take manufacturer into account when choosing which one to go with.

I suppose the chanelle one would be up to scratch? would tranazole be up to scratch going to put in some young stock in tomorrow and have some of that, It would save me time in 2weeks as i'd only have to give the fluke dose??

greysides

Tramazole (albendazole) would be fine as a wormer.

Deepsouthwest

greysides wrote: »

Personally, I'm leery of some of the generic ivomecs. I recommend people take manufacturer into account when choosing which one to go with.

Chanelle would always be seen as poor relation of say Norbrook products, are u saying u'd go along with that?

greysides

I've no problems with Chanelle but some of the other manufacturers are unknown to me and I've no idea of their track record.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

I've no problems with Chanelle but some of the other manufacturers are unknown to me and I've no idea of their track record.

just checking there noromection made by norbrook is better value than chanelle would they be up to scratch?

greysides

I would think so. They would rate high on my list of reputable manufacturers.

limo_100

greysides wrote: »

I would think so. They would rate high on my list of reputable manufacturers.

one other thing and i'll quit annoying you iv a confession to make I don't feed any minerals in the shed terrible I know what would the benefits be to bolus all stock in the shed, I have the autumn calvers done and I usually bolus all cows a month before they calf have noticed a big improvement on coming back in heat and conception rates are at 100% since I started doing it two years ago

greysides

If you notice a benefit in the cows you'll probably get a response in the cattle too. I'd just get minerals to throw on the silage and keep it simple and cheap.

blue5000

Has anyone priced alsure boluses? €6.70 for the one with copper, can you still get the one without copper?

Also turbomec seems to be a very cheap ivermectin, anyone had any problems?