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warmflow boiler issue. suspect oil

  • 26-11-2015 9:27pm
    #1
    corkgsxr
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    Boilers been running away. Iv been doing work in the house.

    It's a warmflow condensing utility.

    They got a fill of oil. It stopped working. Clogged to bits.

    Got a new nossle 60. 0.6 cleaned it all out set pressure and air roughly. Left it for 5 mins to get rid of last bit of soot before setting properly.
    Looked fine.

    Came back and burning black again.

    Oil pump is holding pressure fine. Fan runs fine.

    Possibly it's bad oil or a mix? Only thing I can figure


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  • #2
    Walter Becket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Walter Becket


    Did you have a look at the oil does it look dirty or 'bad' in any way?


  • #3
    Dtp1979
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    corkgsxr wrote: »
    Boilers been running away. Iv been doing work in the house.

    It's a warmflow condensing utility.

    They got a fill of oil. It stopped working. Clogged to bits.

    Got a new nossle 60. 0.6 cleaned it all out set pressure and air roughly. Left it for 5 mins to get rid of last bit of soot before setting properly.
    Looked fine.

    Came back and burning black again.

    Oil pump is holding pressure fine. Fan runs fine.

    Possibly it's bad oil or a mix? Only thing I can figure

    What Co were you getting when it was set up properly? What was the air set to?
    Also, what boiler size output is it?


  • #4
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    What Co were you getting when it was set up properly? What was the air set to?
    Also, what boiler size output is it?

    Oil looked fine. Was red but was in the dark too.

    Never got to setting up properly. Left it for a bit running so get rid of disturbed stuff from cleaning.

    It's a 70.

    I think about 4.

    120 psi.

    Seemed to run fine at that at the start


  • #5
    Dtp1979
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    corkgsxr wrote: »
    Oil looked fine. Was red but was in the dark too.

    Never got to setting up properly. Left it for a bit running so get rid of disturbed stuff from cleaning.

    It's a 70.

    I think about 4.

    120 psi.

    Seemed to run fine at that at the start

    I know the warmflow HE's are notorious for high CO. Usually the air is set much lower. Is it fitted with a T1 head? Could also be a dodgy nozzle


  • #6
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I know the warmflow HE's are notorious for high CO. Usually the air is set much lower. Is it fitted with a T1 head? Could also be a dodgy nozzle

    Very short tube alright

    I don't think it's the nossle. Same effect with old and new nossle.


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  • #7
    Robbie.G
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    corkgsxr wrote: »
    Very short tube alright

    I don't think it's the nossle. Same effect with old and new nossle.

    On some of the warm flows there is a restricter in the air box a think they call them a disk check remove the air box and check that


  • #8
    jimf
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    usually you would be lucky to get a warmflow somewhere around 60ppm co I find a 80eh nozzle gives a better reading from these boilers

    damper setting would be usually around 2

    any restriction in the air intake


  • #9
    jimf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭jimf


    also make sure there is no drip from the nozzle holder and that the electrodes are correctly positioned


  • #10
    corkgsxr
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    My biggest suspicion is ran perfect till day of fill.


  • #11
    jimf
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    could be a mixed grill in the feckin tank


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  • #12
    Walter Becket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Walter Becket


    corkgsxr wrote: »
    My biggest suspicion is ran perfect till day of fill.

    You should forget that and troubleshoot as if you know nothing about it. I find I'm better off to ignore most of what the customer tells me about the problem and follow good troubleshooting practice. It's easy to get fixated on something that doesn't make sense.
    If it doesn't make sense don't try to make sense of it.


  • #13
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Walter Becket wrote: »
    You should forget that and troubleshoot as if you know nothing about it. I find I'm better off to ignore most of what the customer tells me about the problem and follow good troubleshooting practice. It's easy to get fixated on something that doesn't make sense.
    If it doesn't make sense don't try to make sense of it.

    Id actually be the opposite. I find I'd always listen to the customer. They're the ones who are around when it's going wrong. It's up to me to try and piece together what the hell they're talking about though.


  • #14
    Walter Becket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Walter Becket


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Id actually be the opposite. I find I'd always listen to the customer. They're the ones who are around when it's going wrong. It's up to me to try and piece together what the hell they're talking about though.

    Well yes I did overstate my point.


  • #15
    DGOBS
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    Oil looked fine. Was red but was in the dark too.

    Never got to setting up properly. Left it for a bit running so get rid of disturbed stuff from cleaning.

    It's a 70.

    I think about 4.

    120 psi.

    Seemed to run fine at that at the start

    What was your FGA and Smoke readings? or did you not set the appliance up?

    RE the fuel, take a sample and do a turbidity test, color/cloudiness etc. (in the light)


  • #16
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    DGOBS wrote: »
    What was your FGA and Smoke readings? or did you not set the appliance up?

    RE the fuel, take a sample and do a turbidity test, color/cloudiness etc. (in the light)

    Never got to that.

    He came out maintained oil is perfect. But still drained and filled.

    Cleaned it out again and worked perfectly


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