Best value weanling dose for gut worms

Omallep2

Hi,
Anyone in a position to comment on the best value and effective dose for gut worms for cattle housed 3 wks and very loose?

Kiltris

Omallep2 wrote: »

Hi,
Anyone in a position to comment on the best value and effective dose for gut worms for cattle housed 3 wks and very loose?

What is your preference? Pour on, oral drench or injection? What were they last dosed with and when?

MfMan

Was thinking of giving cattle a broad-spectrum drench for all types of fluke, including adult. Was also going to inject them for worms, lice etc. The injection I was thinking of using also claims to kill adult fluke. Is this double-hit on adult fluke too much, would it be harmful or harmless?

Kiltris

I think without doing any dung analysis you have to assume your cattle have both fluke & worms. I never believe in double dosing for anything, especially with similar products as it will only create resistance & also will mean your putting additional cost on yourself for no real benefit.

I think the best dosing regime at housing is an ivermec injection and zanil. This will take care of all worms, lice, adult liver fluke and all your rumen fluke. I personally don't believe in leaving cattle in for a few weeks before dosing them for anything. If they have a heavy burden of parasites then you are only knocking the thrive off them and they go back enough once off grass without allowing parasites to become a problem.

Beware of the ivermec generics as some are only water.

MfMan

Kiltris wrote: »

I think without doing any dung analysis you have to assume your cattle have both fluke & worms. I never believe in double dosing for anything, especially with similar products as it will only create resistance & also will mean your putting additional cost on yourself for no real benefit.

I think the best dosing regime at housing is an ivermec injection and zanil. This will take care of all worms, lice, adult liver fluke and all your rumen fluke. I personally don't believe in leaving cattle in for a few weeks before dosing them for anything. If they have a heavy burden of parasites then you are only knocking the thrive off them and they go back enough once off grass without allowing parasites to become a problem.

Beware of the ivermec generics as some are only water.

You will have to go again with a fluke dose after a few weeks though to get the immature you missed?

Kiltris

MfMan wrote: »

You will have to go again with a fluke dose after a few weeks though to get the immature you missed?

Endofluke is very keenly priced now compared to Fasinex 240, so if you wanted you could go back in after 2-3wks with that and it would sweep up any immatures that would have been left over.

The value of dung sampling is hugely under estimated, it will give you a very clear picture of what you need to be dosing for. However, the taking of these samples is very important, samples should always be taken for 10% of the group. These samples can then be pooled to check for parasites.

Sami23

Kiltris wrote: »

I think the best dosing regime at housing is an ivermec injection and zanil. This will take care of all worms, lice, adult liver fluke and all your rumen fluke. I personally don't believe in leaving cattle in for a few weeks before dosing them for anything. If they have a heavy burden of parasites then you are only knocking the thrive off them and they go back enough once off grass without allowing parasites to become a problem.

Beware of the ivermec generics as some are only water.

Which of the ivermec generics should I avoid as need to get some this weekend ?
Or which of the generics are actually good.

Kiltris

I find the Norbrook Enovex pour on or injection to be the best of the generics. A friend of mine was let down badly during the summer with one of the popular generics. He was dosing the calves every 4-5wks and in July they started to pine a little and became very loose. It turned out they had over 600 worm eggs per gram of dung sampled. Total failure.

He never had a problem before and would stagger the products he uses on an annual basis to avoid resistance.

There is also some of the Zearl injection or pour-on still floating around in places, it was discontinued by Elanco but they sold off all their stock at a reduced price and it is great value for money. If you can get it it would be a far better product than any ivermec generic. Hope this helps.

Sami23

Kiltris wrote: »

I find the Norbrook Enovex pour on or injection to be the best of the generics. A friend of mine was let down badly during the summer with one of the popular generics. He was dosing the calves every 4-5wks and in July they started to pine a little and became very loose. It turned out they had over 600 worm eggs per gram of dung sampled. Total failure.

Which generic was it as I'm going buying some this weekend and don't waste money and time on something crap.
Thanks

sean.walsh123

endofluke will hit 3 stages of fluke an inject or use a pour on just for stomach worms an hoose and lice. if cattle is coughing bad use levacide inj it s easier on animal less chance of pheunonia

The Cuban

What about Levacide pour on? Anyone have success with it. I'm hoping its as good as an injection but without the hassle






Levacide Pour On

Deepsouthwest

The Cuban wrote: »

What about Levacide pour on? Anyone have success with it. I'm hoping its as good as an injection but without the hassle






Levacide Pour On

Any of the levaside/levamisole are really only summer doses, they don't cover the winter scouring type worms, as unlikely as cattle are to be affected by them.
I'd be going with a Norbrook pour-on to cover worms and lice, and fasinex to cover all stages of fluke all on the same day. Job done then!

Greengrass1

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Any of the levaside/levamisole are really only summer doses, they don't cover the winter scouring type worms, as unlikely as cattle are to be affected by them.
I'd be going with a Norbrook pour-on to cover worms and lice, and fasinex to cover all stages of fluke all on the same day. Job done then!

Did all incalf heifers and bulling heifers here on Wednesday with noromectin pour on. Can see a massive difference in them.already. Coats gone all sleek and a nice shine come up on them. Incalf heifers were dosed last in august and calves in sept

old deere

used cyndectin p.o. on s.cows last year,best combined dose ive seen,especially for lice.
brutal withdrawal period though ( 5 months)

Kiltris

I've seen both Bimectin inj & Ecomectin inj to fail, both times the correct dose rate was used but yet the cattle went backwards, lab results showed high levels of stomach worms.

The cydectin pour on or even the cydectin triclamox pour on are exceptional products. Costly though. 5L of the cydectin triclamox could anything from €530 to €570.