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WSJ: GameStop Is Running Out of Lives

  • 23-11-2015 7:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭JTMan


    GameStop is going the way of Blockbuster ...

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/gamestop-is-running-out-of-lives-1448213981?mod=e2tw
    Those betting against GameStop may finally be vindicated as a shift to digital sales accelerates
    While efforts to diversify have helped GameStop from going the way of RadioShack or Blockbuster, the environment is getting even more challenging.

    Research firm NPD Group warned earlier this month about disappointing retail game sales. That came despite the highly anticipated launch of “Halo 5: Guardians.”

    The worry is that more people are buying new videogames digitally, squeezing physical retailers like GameStop. Its shares fell 12% on the day of NPD’s report.


Comments



  • It still does a big trade in second hand games I'm fairly sure. Don't see it going away just yet. Though I haven't bought a new game from it in years, €75 for new PS4 games these days is a complete joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Sieghardt


    It isnt really digital sales, people would just rather buy from someplace like amazon or other online retailers, they get a better price and none of the hard sell you get when you go into gamestop

    I pretty much entirely stopped going there when every time I bought something, they tried to get me to buy a kinect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Boo hoo. Go get me a hanky. :rolleyes:

    Heres a tip, stop price gouging and maybe people will buy from you. Sales of games arent down....just sales in your store. Plenty of other retailers are doing fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,534 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    I won't shed a tear if GameStop go out of business. Their prices haven't been reasonable or competitive in years and the staff are pushy and usually unhelpful when it comes to any real problem (there are exceptions of course).

    Their biggest market now is clueless parents buying for their children who don't know that there are so many cheaper alternatives online, and children themselves spending their parents money, when they don't have to worry about the cost. Not a single one of my friends who play video games use GameStop anymore, and I'd imagine this is often the case worldwide for 18-35 YO males. This being the most profitable market in the industry, means their profits must surely be plummeting.

    They will never see another penny from me until the prices come down and the staff aren't encouraged to drain your wallet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,202 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I still chuckle at the thought of the Gamestop employee's face when he tried to upsell me disk insurance.

    GS: Would you like to buy disk protection insurance for an extra €1?
    Me: No thanks.
    GS: Are you sure? It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
    Me: No, I'm fine thanks.
    GS: Ok. But earlier today, a guy came in with a scratched disk and we replaced it for him because he had the insurance.
    Me: Was it scratched when he bought it?
    GS: No, he moved the PS3 while the game was running.
    Me: Well then, I won't do that.

    His face f*cking dropped and he didn't say another word. I feel bad for them having to upsell all that crap, but if they don't take the hint, f*ck 'em.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Ant695


    Haven't bought in there in years mainly because even for second hand they were rarely the best value and not that I have moved to pc 90% of my games are bought in various sales from steam or gmg anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    martyos121 wrote: »
    I won't shed a tear if GameStop go out of business. Their prices haven't been reasonable or competitive in years and the staff are pushy and usually unhelpful when it comes to any real problem (there are exceptions of course).

    Their biggest market now is clueless parents buying for their children who don't know that there are so many cheaper alternatives online, and children themselves spending their parents money, when they don't have to worry about the cost. Not a single one of my friends who play video games use GameStop anymore, and I'd imagine this is often the case worldwide for 18-35 YO males. This being the most profitable market in the industry, means their profits must surely be plummeting.

    They will never see another penny from me until the prices come down and the staff aren't encouraged to drain your wallet.

    My thoughts exactly. Good riddance.

    Their prices are ridiculous and it pains me to see parents paying way over the odds for games in particular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Its weird how there is such a huge variance between what internet commenters believe and what GameStop's financial statements say.

    You would think the company is at death's door but in FY15 they posted their highest ever gross profit. Even this WSJ article almost begrudgingly admits how their EPS is "up 3.5% from a year earlier. Quarterly revenue is expected to be up just 2.3%."

    Regardless of whether GameStop sinks, I think digital only is a terrible idea and gamers will have screwed themselves in the long run if physical sales come to an end.
    Fact is, physical is superior to digital. You own your game. You can lend it to a friend, trade it in for a new game, or sell it for cash. It feels like commenters here don't comprehend that a lot of gamers are casual or under 18. They don't have a credit card to buy online. They don't do PC gaming, nor do they know what a Steam sale is. They don't have super fast uncapped internet to download a 40gb game. They fund a new game purchase by selling a game they just completed.

    Why pay €70 to download Star Wars Battlefront from the PSN Store when you can buy a physical copy from Amazon for €56? When (if?) the only place to purchase games is the PSN Store/Xbox Live, do you think the price of digital copies will decrease or increase? More than likely you'll be in a captive market, paying GameStop prices for digital copies.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,895 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    People are buying from online retailers more now and game sales are way down from a few years ago as well as the mobile market takes over. There's also been a resurgence from the PC market which is now almost entirely digital. Gamestop is pretty much a dinosaur on life support and no amount of crappy pop culture super deformed vinyl figures will save it.

    This generation should have seen the move to a completely digital market, Microsoft tried it but the public backlash saw Sony back pedal on their own plans (don't be fooled, sony aren't the white knights people made them out to be). Stealth subscription services like PS plus are slowly eroding away the publics acceptance of a purely digital future and I'd be surprised if the next Sony or MS console ship with disc drives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,202 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    This generation should have seen the move to a completely digital market.

    No it shouldn't. The internet infrastructure simply isn't strong enough in enough places that moving to digital only wouldn't completely screw over a large percentage of the consumer base. Maybe in the next generation of consoles, but certainly not this generation.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,895 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Penn wrote: »
    No it shouldn't. The internet infrastructure simply isn't strong enough in enough places that moving to digital only wouldn't completely screw over a large percentage of the consumer base. Maybe in the next generation of consoles, but certainly not this generation.

    I think getting a monopoly over their own digital marketplace would have been far more important than upsetting a few people that didn't have good enough internet. Sure they'd be on board as well once things improved down the road. Ethically it would be the wrong move but it would have been the best business move if they could have pulled it off. Having a steam or netflix type service on your own hardware platform without the risk of any competition is the goal for MS and Sony.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    I do sometimes buy from gamestop, I find the prices are high to be fair, but a lot of the time it is better to buys games from gamers.

    The chap who works in my local one knows the types of games I play ( how sad :( ) and put me off the new star wars game.

    You dont get that In amazon or argos.

    If they bring the prices down in line with other places they will be fine. But saying that, I dont see how PSN charge 69 for fallout on digital copy, should they not be cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    They can be good sometimes for hardware. I got a sweet deal there on an OLED Vita and 10 games around the time the new Vita was being released.

    But for software... well anyone that is remotely interested in gaming before casual players know to avoid them.

    As someone else has said it's probably mainly parents and very casual players that use them. In the Crescent shopping centre in Limerick Argos and Gamestop are almost directly opposite one another - a €15 even €20 difference between the 2 on new releases.

    I remember back in the day when the 360 was relatively new one of my colleagues was getting a 360 and some games for her kids. She was stunned when I explained how some games were region free and looked up the games she was looking to buy on Play Asia, she was going to buy in GS before that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Digital Only? With games coming it at between 40 and 70 gigs for a AAA title, that's still a ways off

    Honestly, if you objectively look at the amount of cribbers on the threads for Fallout 4, Batman Arkham Knight, Far Cry 4 etc moaning about not having the game for 1 or 2 days (due to download times) or 1 or 2 weeks (do to postage) or 3 or 4 months (due to bad PC ports) you can't say that Digital Only is CURRENTLY the way to go.

    Now if you don't give a damn about waiting a few days or weeks, well great, that's probably a good option for you.

    But it's same people lambasting Gamestop every time these threads come up who end up popping into threads moaning about not having the game that day or that week cause of the reasons listed above.

    Funny thing is those people rarely come back saying "Ah the wait was worth it for the €10 I saved". You refused to buy a physical copy for whatever reason (and I'm not saying Gamestop are the only retailer) and now you're paying the price.

    I just find it very much a case of people trying to have their cake and eat it too.
    "I want the game on Launch day for €40, no waiting to download it, I want to be able to sell it trade it and I want it to not take up too much disc space on my 1/2TB console"..... well tough, that's not how things work.

    Think about a triangle with these 3 elements on each corner:
    - Availability to play the minute the game launches
    - Low Price
    - Ability to Resell the game

    And decide which 2 out of three you want and be happy.

    €75 is too much for a game as far as I'm concerned, but these pitchfork threads are bloody farcical at this stage, this must be the 9th in a year.
    I hope Gamestop stay in business for the 2nd hand trade-in market and the ability to get the game day 1 guaranteed (who know's what Super Value or Argos etc will really truly stock - see Fallout 4).
    Ideally they'd lower their price by a few euros and people would buy there more, €65 is a decent bit lower than €75 if you ask me


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Had a walk around the local Gamestop yesterday and the prices are just a pure rip off. Most of their staff couldnt care less and are only interested in getting a sale or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,202 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I think getting a monopoly over their own digital marketplace would have been far more important than upsetting a few people that didn't have good enough internet. Sure they'd be on board as well once things improved down the road. Ethically it would be the wrong move but it would have been the best business move if they could have pulled it off. Having a steam or netflix type service on your own hardware platform without the risk of any competition is the goal for MS and Sony.

    I think you underestimate the number of people with poor internet, or ones with download-limits where, particularly when shared in a family or house-share, trying to download more than 1 game per month would severely restrict internet usage.

    They could have closed out a quite substantial number of their consumer base. Remember the anger towards Adam Orth's comments regarding always-online. Never mind going digital-only for their games, but people had concerns regarding just having to be online all the time due to lack of or poor internet.

    I agree going digital-only would absolutely be best for the console companies. But the time to do it was not 2 years ago, nor is it now. Not until the number of those shut out by not having sub-standard internet capabilities is absolutely minimal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    This generation should have seen the move to a completely digital market, Microsoft tried it but the public backlash saw Sony back pedal on their own plans.

    You misunderstand the backlash. Why it happeneds and why it was heeded.

    People didnt rebel against the digital market for games that microsoft proposed. They rebelled against Microsofts demand that every console user have an always-on internet connection which just isnt feasible. Your xbox was to be connected to the internet atleast once a day and if it was not, offline games you had paid for would cease to work.

    It was ridiculous and was rightly struck down. But put the blame where it belonged. People didnt rail against digital distribution.....they railed against DRM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I certainly won't be sorry to see them go.

    Never found the staff helpful and the prices are ridiculous.

    Good riddance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Sieghardt wrote: »
    It isnt really digital sales, people would just rather buy from someplace like amazon or other online retailers, they get a better price and none of the hard sell you get when you go into gamestop

    I pretty much entirely stopped going there when every time I bought something, they tried to get me to buy a kinect
    Actually, digital sales are playing a fairly large role in this. If you look at the earning reports from the major publishers so far this year, almost all of the major players saw substantial growth in terms of digital sales. Despite a drop in overall sales, Ubisoft saw digital rise from 23.2% of total sales to 56% this year, Activision (admittedly probably by nature of their titles) saw 71% of their revenue come from digital sales while over at EA, digital sales grew a further 10% year on year, accounting for more than 75% of their total revenue for Q1.

    Gamestop themselves even indirectly acknowledged the problem back in September when they announced they would no longer bundle consoles with digital games. What I would be interested to see, however, is how hardware sales break down between specialist stores and regular retailers, online or otherwise. I imagine a large proportion of them still happen through the former channels but if Gamestop and their ilk were to die out, I do wonder how retail would adapt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    It's true that people aren't ready for 100% digital but what I don't get is how do people justify paying Sony/MC again to play their games online either monthly/yearly, then the typical console prices on games, yet not able to afford a half decent internet connection? Not blistering speeds. Just something that can get you your game downloaded eventually.

    Even if it takes a few hours, it's not much longer than a trip into town and some shopping where I assume most people buy games physically... unless you make dedicated video game trips or live close to a video game retailer.

    As for gamestop... the industry and consumers won't mourn them if they do go under. I've read that their re-selling of games has more documented damage to to publisher bottom-lines than pirating, and their prices and trade-ins have been rips from the last I remember buying from them.

    They'll probably just downsize but who knows.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,895 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Kirby wrote: »
    You misunderstand the backlash. Why it happeneds and why it was heeded.

    People didnt rebel against the digital market for games that microsoft proposed. They rebelled against Microsofts demand that every console user have an always-on internet connection which just isnt feasible. Your xbox was to be connected to the internet atleast once a day and if it was not, offline games you had paid for would cease to work.

    It was ridiculous and was rightly struck down. But put the blame where it belonged. People didnt rail against digital distribution.....they railed against DRM.

    I accept that, I might have been wrong or simplified what the backlash was for but I don't think it changes the fact that ultimately that kind of DRM and marketplace control is where Sony and Microsoft are pushing. The difference between Microsoft and Sony is that Microsoft jumped the gun by quite a big margin, offering up a full digital only service while sony have been cleverly introducing it with stealth services like PS plus and PS Now.

    Also people thinking lost sales due to people not having good internet connections is a concern better think again. Those lost sales are a drop in the water compared to the potential profits having a monopoly control over a closed platform marketplace can generate, especially considering you are now taking in more money on third party sales acting as a publisher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    If Gamestop doesn't succeed in diversifying they will have to start closing stores, but they can keep going on, as the Internet infrastructure isn't quite there for everyone.

    I have gone fully digital myself, but that because I have good Internet, but a lot of people don't, so until the Internet infrastructure is sorted for pretty much everyone, Gamestop will limp on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    GameStop should have a Sticky or Megathread or whatever, De-ja-vu here


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 52,895 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'd say they can still survive as an online entity. The online stores apparently are run almost separately and the prices there aren't all that bad with some bargains to be had in sales.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    Fun fact, I installed Battlefront off the 4(!!!) DVDs the physical review copy I was sent had. Took 3 hours. Had I just downloaded it, it would've taken half the time, but I was streaming something else and I wanted that stream uninterrupted.

    Internet infrastructure *is* good enough in the majority of markets, just cause the arse end of Ireland has gods awful Three NBS horsesht connections, don't expect that to make a lick of difference to billion dollar companies who sell way more product in countries who have their infrastructural act together. Weigh up the population even here in Ireland, the majority still has more than adequate service to not be bothered by a 40 - 70GB download.

    Unpopular opinion but none the less true - if you live somewhere with shite internet access, it's up to you to fix it. You should be burning down the offices of all your local Fianna Fáil and Green Party TD's with what they allowed to be signed off in the creation of the so called National Broadband Scheme. It really is as simple as that. How is it you think that the people behind the Abortion Rights Campaign for example are making Repealing the 8th Amendment a doorstep issue for the next general election? You have to go out and fight for it. There is no reason that basic and functionally appropriate internet access can't be as important an issues as basic women's healthcare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    More than just internet everywhere we need multiple providers everywhere. I get screwed on my package pricing because there's no competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    I think preloading is the key shift in online design that have allowed this change. it allows people with crappy internet connections still get the game at hour 0 vs going down to the shop and buying it.


    That and the fact there is not a single publisher or developer that would favour gamestop over a digital platform, especially those that own their own digital platforms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Randall Floyd


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    I think preloading is the key shift in online design that have allowed this change. it allows people with crappy internet connections still get the game at hour 0 vs going down to the shop and buying it.


    That and the fact there is not a single publisher or developer that would favour gamestop over a digital platform, especially those that own their own digital platforms.

    Don't you have to pre-order to be able to pre-load a game?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Don't you have to pre-order to be able to pre-load a game?

    Yes and I know pre-order culture is mostly a negative trait of the industry.

    But it's there and will remain part of the industry of some size and it was firmly in gamestop etc corner initially until preloading allowed those who were going to pre-order anyway get the game pretty much midnight on the dot on release day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Why not Pre-Load, but pay to unlock the actual game at launch?

    Win-Win!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,924 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    I honestly don't understand people who want to see gamestop die. Really? It's like choosing down the branch you sit on with chainsaw.
    If you don't want or like buying in there, fair enough. There are a few other places left to buy. Not much if you talking block and mortar shops. Even of you don't buy anything from them it's in your own interest to have gamestop around.
    People forget about competition. If gamestop cranks up prices, then other retailers undercut them. We all know how awesome it turned out for gamers when Game closed down. Less competition ment "**** you, that's why, wheres my 75eu for game".
    Just because gamestop prices are like this, we are able to buy fallout 4 in argos for 56eu.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Cormac... wrote: »
    Why not Pre-Load, but pay to unlock the actual game at launch?

    Win-Win!

    I imagine there is some fear of being able to reverse engineer a preload to create a hack of some sort.

    But with steam's refund policy you should be able to return a pre-ordered game without issue right?

    Though I always wonder how offers like get a free copy of X if you pre-order would work in redeeming factor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    I honestly don't understand people who want to see gamestop die. Really? It's like choosing down the branch you sit on with chainsaw.
    If you don't want or like buying in there, fair enough. There are a few other places left to buy. Not much if you talking block and mortar shops.

    exclusively video games, yeah not much, but there's not much that does exclusively any entertainment media these days. I mean I think you could say only comic book stores hold that and thats because they lack competition (and also they dont debatably sell exclusively comics)
    Even of you don't buy anything from them it's in your own interest to have gamestop around.

    Nope, Gamestop encourage the cutting up of game content to push as store exclusive content. I rather be rid of that sort of crap
    People forget about competition. If gamestop cranks up prices, then other retailers undercut them. We all know how awesome it turned out for gamers when Game closed down. Less competition ment "**** you, that's why, wheres my 75eu for game".

    People oversell competition as this simple more = better. Competition comes in many forms and gamestop dont give benefits from their competition. They dont push the prices down because they focus on the discount being in 2nd hand games so cheap new titles would work against them, they rely on a small portion of the player base to fund discounts for the larger player base. They also because they rely on large stock of second hand games tend to carry less variety of their titles, instead opting for shelves stocked with the same title over multiple different titles so they dont offer better options for purchasing.

    The advantage gamestop gave was exposure, they allowed video games to grow at a ridiculous rate in the late 90s early 00's by using 2nd hand sales to lower their costs down allowing them to be in every shopping centre and every high street. But that's hit it's ceiling and for the industry they've gone from a boon to a potential wound and they are being pushed out.

    Competition can come in many forms and not all of it is good. Oligopoly is the much more common one now...or Cartels which is what Sony and Microsoft pretty much have going right now, they wont directly compete in prices instead its all about release dates and exclusive content in 3rd party games.
    which sucks for gamers cause all it does is cut up content for us. Sometimes it is good, getting something for free but mostly its denying you something cause you bought the wrong console even though you can still buy the game.
    Just because gamestop prices are like this, we are able to buy fallout 4 in argos for 56eu.

    Argos compete with tesco and the other large stores not gamestop. They are who push argos down and they also have the same issue as gamestop with limited selection of titles.


  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
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    Argos compete with tesco and the other large stores not gamestop. They are who push argos down and they also have the same issue as gamestop with limited selection of titles.

    That used to be the case for sure.

    But now having a look at these might muddy those waters some what, would like to see that being brought into stores here.

    http://www.argos.ie/static/StaticDisplay/includeName/trade_in_old_video_games.htm

    http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Browse/ID72/33650162/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CTechnology%7C33006169/c_2/2%7C33006169%7CVideo+games+and+consoles%7C33008137/c_3/3%7Ccat_33008137%7CPre-order+games%7C33650162.htm

    Not sure if that is anything more than testing of waters on the part of Argos UK ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Wouldn't be a bad thing to see them lose market share even if it lets them rethink their current pricing strategy and aggressive sales techniques . 75 euro a new game title is what you get with limited competition and at that the new 2nd hand games are not much cheaper. I've also seen some pretty shady selling in my local stores when it comes to upselling.

    Focus on decent customer service and decent pricing and I think they will be here to stay but remains,to be seen if they can do that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    That used to be the case for sure.

    But now having a look at these might muddy those waters some what, would like to see that being brought into stores here.

    http://www.argos.ie/static/StaticDisplay/includeName/trade_in_old_video_games.htm

    http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Browse/ID72/33650162/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CTechnology%7C33006169/c_2/2%7C33006169%7CVideo+games+and+consoles%7C33008137/c_3/3%7Ccat_33008137%7CPre-order+games%7C33650162.htm

    Not sure if that is anything more than testing of waters on the part of Argos UK ?



    yeah trade ins is a wider sympton of the genius/idiotic success/mistake of the games industry in the mid 90s to early 2000s. It's not an exclusive to Gamestop or game shops anymore.

    You can trade in at HMV UK aswell (what few shops remain) as well and most best buys walmarts etc in the US offer trade ins on video games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    I imagine there is some fear of being able to reverse engineer a preload to create a hack of some sort.

    But with steam's refund policy you should be able to return a pre-ordered game without issue right?

    Though I always wonder how offers like get a free copy of X if you pre-order would work in redeeming factor?

    There's also server costs to consider. Every Tom Dick and Harry is going to pre-load a game just because there's big green PRE-LOAD button to click.

    I guess they could limit the feature to people over a certain steam level who have perhaps a certain amount of game purchases or are otherwise considered trust-worthy.

    Or even just make a pre-load cost like €0.10. Most people have that in their steam wallet and would weed out the amount of people that just download things because they're free. When you do purchase it, the €0.10 can be considered already payed for so that's taken off it.

    Maybe limit it to X amount of pre-loads at a time or per week/month/year.

    There's really all kinds of solutions and there's probably a good way to make it work in there somewhere. Valve have a lot of staff doing R&D I'm sure they could come up with something. They do have a beta client opt-in to test the waters, too.

    As for the actual data being on people's computers and possibly being abused... Just encrypt it in a compressed format. Upon purchase it's decrypted and uncompressed.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Penn wrote: »
    I agree going digital-only would absolutely be best for the console companies.

    ...seems to be the consensus here. And you would be right if you lived in a world where rank idiocy and unrestrained greed didn't result in hilariously bad decisions that had predictably interesting outcomes :rolleyes:

    Sorny and Microshaft are convinced that if they destroy X Y and Z they can achieve an industry-wide monopoly (well, technically a duopoly) without any form of opposition or catastrophic legal backlash. And they're already treating their customers as if they had said monopoly. But the fact that no-one owns so much as rents a modern Sony/MS console has put an awful lot of people off. Having a huge up-front platform cost and then having to rent the online-based services only to be able to digitally download games at a premium compared to any on- or off-line retailer (other than GameStop - ggwp there lads!) is ironically pushing a lot of gamers and families back toward PC (and Nintendo to some degree) as it ends up a lot cheaper in the long or even medium-term.

    Sony and MS are relying on the inertia and myopia of the proverbial sheeple for their plans to succeed, yet if they managed to destroy retail game sales overnight they'd force a lot of the less affluent sheeple to declare their households game-free or jump ship to other platforms both established (PC, Nintendo) and emerging (Android). Those platforms would then see greatly increased backing from the big scumpanies, many of whom have already overplayed the same game Sony/MS seem fated to mess up and ended up with their own digital marketplaces failing as a result. These big boys may love dealing with Sony and MS to maximise power and profit while screwing the sheeple, but the idea of creating a duopoly that allows the pair - companies that EA and the like often consider their inferiors - to collectively hold an almighty gun to their heads is a waking nightmare to them and will happily bankroll other platforms to create just enough competition that allows them to maintain some of their power and independence.
    Shiminay wrote: »
    Unpopular opinion but none the less true - if you live somewhere with shite internet access, it's up to you to fix it. You should be burning down the offices of all your local Fianna Fáil and Green Party TD's with what they allowed to be signed off in the creation of the so called National Broadband Scheme.

    If I burned down their offices, I would be declared a terrorist and hunted down and killed for challenging the Powers That Be. What it would not do is give me or anyone else in my situation a broadband connection that costs me less than €50 a month for an unreliable connection throttled to 3Mbps. Nor would any amount of talking to them. They do what the Powers That Be tell them to do, and giving the serfs a communications infrastructure is not on the list :/

    Blaming the culchies for not breaking out the burning pitchforks fast enough and offloading all the blame for the mess the country is in on us in order to excuse the scummers sitting in the Dail making this mess and allow you to wallow in your inertia? Would it be discriminatory for me to suggest that the above is a classic townie attitude that is doing even less to fix our infrastructural issues than torching the constituency offices? :p

    I agree that Ireland on its own won't hold up global-scale economic change thanks to our own laughable infrastructure issues. We're tiny - the tip of a very large iceberg. Lots of emerging markets with significant buying power also have terrible comms infrastructure and a thriving retail and online game market. And many larger nations such as the US have been corrupted into cutting up every region into little fiefdoms where ISP xyz has their own monopoly, and this is starting to have a slow, creeping and ultimately severe effect on the overall quality of internet connections as there is less and less investment in infrastructure and more and more Working Joes unable to afford modern fibre-based connections due to the monopolies.
    I guess they could limit the feature to people over a certain steam level who have perhaps a certain amount of game purchases or are otherwise considered trust-worthy.

    I am a trustworthy gamer.
    I am a big fan and supporter of Steam.
    I have hundreds of games in my Library all bought and paid for.
    I have the Steam Level of a goldfish.
    Why? Because I don't buy 1434213 games in every sale and consider their strange, labyrinthine and pointless collectable card games partly based on buying said number of games in said sales as marginally less fun than smashing a hole clean through my main monitor by repeatedly smashing my head face-first into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Sorny and Microshaft are convinced that if they destroy X Y and Z they can achieve an industry-wide monopoly (well, technically a duopoly)

    Oligopoly would be the more accurate title: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    It would if they intended on being charitable and permitted Nintendo and Valve to survive in some form.

    ...given their corporate behaviour, I think we can bet on it being a duopoly :pac: In their dreams at least. Ones that really don't have any real bearing upon reality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Solitaire wrote: »
    I have hundreds of games in my Library all bought and paid for.

    Pretty sure that falls under the, "or are otherwise considered trust-worthy". Activity that makes you inconspicious, not throw up any red flags on the account when consideirng it for pre-load support.


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