Eddie Jones is England coach - Telegraph

Snickers Man

The Daily Torygraph is reporting that former Australian and current Japanese head coach Eddie Jones will be appointed to the English job within 24 hours.

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Jones did a good job with Japan, bringing a team of no hopers to the world cup and causing one of the great upsets by beating South Africa. Sounds like he could be a good fit for England.

Meeoww!!!!

swiwi_

I'd quite like to see a strong England and France again. There is something a tad more exciting about playing those teams knowing you have a genuine chance of losing. Hopefully England and France get their act together, and the 6N will be close and exciting. That's my hope anyway.

Wouldn't want them dominating by any means though, let's not get carried away!

Larbre34

Old dog for the hard road. You'd have to be pleased at that as an England fan. Maybe the purists and blazers would have preferred a top Premiership coach, but they need this.

Happy Monday

Snickers Man wrote: »

The Daily Torygraph is reporting that former Australian and current Japanese head coach Eddie Jones will be appointed to the English job within 24 hours.

Read all about it here. You may need a subscription.

Jones did a good job with Japan, bringing a team of no hopers to the world cup and causing one of the great upsets by beating South Africa. Sounds like he could be a good fit for England.

Meeoww!!!!

You mean he did better than Joe Schmidt then!!

English Lurker

Am ambivalent. Largely because the RFU's history suggests something is wrong with this appointment, even if it is not immediately clear what exactly the problem is.

captbarnacles

England will be a very, very tough once he settles in but yep - good for rugby to have strong England.

captbarnacles

English Lurker wrote: »

Am ambivalent. Largely because the RFU's history suggests something is wrong with this appointment, even if it is not immediately clear what exactly the problem is.

lol cynical but probably true

errlloyd

I've always wondered how much of a skills overlap exists between getting the most out of a tiny group of players, and getting the best out of a huge group of players.

The job he is doing in England is completely different to what he was doing in Japan. This is far more about managing form. He can't use tricks like the quick line outs and fast hooks to nullify his opponents advantages. With Japan Eddie Jones was doing the equivalent of waging a Guerilla war with a lovable group of rogues. He was ambushing senior teams, and designing a strategy to nullify his disadvantages. It was clever, but unsustainable. The limitations of his strategy were clear when

A: They only managed 1 win the PNC this year.
B: They got hockeyed by Scotland.

He could work out great, and the rest of his coaching CV cannot be ignored, but I feel he's a coach who has a few great ideas, but isn't brilliant at the bread and butter (which is why he is so often a consultant). I just think it is silly to hire him on the back of this year.

sydthebeat

bit meh for me, i wouldnt at all be surprised if england have someone else in charge in 2019

pickarooney

Bit of the Kevin Keegans about this appointment I feel.

captbarnacles

He did have a role in the Boks WC win in 2007 and England's traditional strengths aren't that different from theirs plus he knows how to add some invention to a backline which England desperately need.

swiwi_

errlloyd wrote: »

I've always wondered how much of a skills overlap exists between getting the most out of a tiny group of players, and getting the best out of a huge group of players.

The job he is doing in England is completely different to what he was doing in Japan. This is far more about managing form. He can't use tricks like the quick line outs and fast hooks to nullify his opponents advantages. With Japan Eddie Jones was doing the equivalent of waging a Guerilla war with a lovable group of rogues. He was ambushing senior teams, and designing a strategy to nullify his disadvantages. It was clever, but unsustainable. The limitations of his strategy were clear when

A: They only managed 1 win the PNC this year.
B: They got hockeyed by Scotland.

He could work out great, and the rest of his coaching CV cannot be ignored, but I feel he's a coach who has a few great ideas, but isn't brilliant at the bread and butter (which is why he is so often a consultant). I just think it is silly to hire him on the back of this year.

Agree. Although in my hazy memory he was good with the Brumbies.

In any case if the choice was White or Jones, it's the latter every time for me.

Do England not have any promising coaches in the premiership, though? Or someone who won those U20 world cups, or even the ladies coach, they have been pretty successful.

Bandana boy

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'd quite like to see a strong England and France again. There is something a tad more exciting about playing those teams knowing you have a genuine chance of losing. Hopefully England and France get their act together, and the 6N will be close and exciting. That's my hope anyway.

Wouldn't want them dominating by any means though, let's not get carried away!

Erm
England have won 5 of our last 6 matches !

And before the recent run of 5 undefeated against the French we lost 10 of the previous 11

swiwi_

Bandana boy wrote: »

Erm
England have won 5 of our last 6 matches !

And before the recent run of 5 undefeated against the French we lost 10 of the previous 11

Speak for yourself

Winters

swiwi_ wrote: »

Agree. Although in my hazy memory he was good with the Brumbies.

In any case if the choice was White or Jones, it's the latter every time for me.

Do England not have any promising coaches in the premiership, though? Or someone who won those U20 world cups, or even the ladies coach, they have been pretty successful.

Or even a decent Saxons coach...

Bandana boy

swiwi_ wrote: »

Speak for yourself

Does that mean your not Irish ?

And also last years 6 nations was the closest and most exciting in the history of the tournament !! so even assuming your a KIWI your post is still wrong ! :rolleyes:

English Lurker

swiwi_ wrote: »

Do England not have any promising coaches in the premiership, though? Or someone who won those U20 world cups, or even the ladies coach, they have been pretty successful.

In short - not promising enough.

Rob Baxter is the only one of the head coaches who I think has the rugby brain to match a Cotter or Schmidt and he a) allegedly doesn't want it b) has only been coaching for six years and has relatively little to show for it yet.

After that you get a bunch of guys who clearly know their rugby but don't look up to that level and either a) have no interest of leaving their current club b) could start a fight on the moon c) both d) are Jim Mallinder, who might have been an ok shout, but has never really wowed, ya know?

There's a bunch of specialist coaches with strong reputations - Alex King at Saints and Paul Gustard at Sarries are the two most often touted, but Nick Walshe from the U20s has taken a role at Glaws and there's others I could name - but I'd be loath to promote a promising coach with little head coaching experienced. We've tried it a few times now with horrible results.

England have a lot of good but not great coaches and a bunch of coaches who could be great but clearly aren't there yet and may never be. Just like the playing situation really.

swiwi_

Bandana boy wrote: »

Does that mean your not Irish ?

And also last years 6 nations was the closest and most exciting in the history of the tournament !! so even assuming your a KIWI your post is still wrong ! :rolleyes:

Not going to get into an argument over it but this has not been a golden generation for France and England were ultimately very disappointing in the rwc. Yes the 6N 2015 was great but not because of 2 great English and French teams. That's all I'm saying. I'm Swiss actually

matthew8

English Lurker wrote: »

In short - not promising enough.

Rob Baxter is the only one of the head coaches who I think has the rugby brain to match a Cotter or Schmidt and he a) allegedly doesn't want it b) has only been coaching for six years and has relatively little to show for it yet.

After that you get a bunch of guys who clearly know their rugby but don't look up to that level and either a) have no interest of leaving their current club b) could start a fight on the moon c) both d) are Jim Mallinder, who might have been an ok shout, but has never really wowed, ya know?

There's a bunch of specialist coaches with strong reputations - Alex King at Saints and Paul Gustard at Sarries are the two most often touted, but Nick Walshe from the U20s has taken a role at Glaws and there's others I could name - but I'd be loath to promote a promising coach with little head coaching experienced. We've tried it a few times now with horrible results.

England have a lot of good but not great coaches and a bunch of coaches who could be great but clearly aren't there yet and may never be. Just like the playing situation really.

It's a shame if Baxter didn't want it. He's done a great job at Exeter, they've played well above the sum of their parts. They've been very progressive too, they were extremely unlucky not to make the playoffs last year. He even had a stint coaching England during the last Lions tour when they went to Argentina, and apparently he was a hit with the players. The results were good too, but they were playing an experimental team.

penybont exile

From a Welsh perspective I'm pretty happy with this appointment .......

Pink Fairy

Confirmed this morning, Jones calls it the toughest job in world rugby, and he's probably right

.ak

I still think letting Lancaster go was silly. WC aside England have been very good under him.

yosser hughes

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'd quite like to see a strong England and France again. There is something a tad more exciting about playing those teams knowing you have a genuine chance of losing. Hopefully England and France get their act together, and the 6N will be close and exciting. That's my hope anyway.

Wouldn't want them dominating by any means though, let's not get carried away!

Have I missed something? Talk about hubris!

Pink Fairy

yosser hughes wrote: »

Have I missed something? Talk about hubris!

Hubris? That's the NIQ flanker Munster weren't allowed sign

Sanjuro

.ak wrote: »

I still think letting Lancaster go was silly. WC aside England have been very good under him.

After New Zealand were knocked out of the 2007 World Cup, there were calls, and pretty universal ones in New Zealand, for Graham Henry and his coaching team to be sacked. But the New Zealand Union decided not to fire them in a knee-jerk reaction and allow him time to bed in. Four years later they won the World Cup. I agree that Lancaster shouldn't have been let go. I'm not saying he's blameless, but I think he should have been given more time. And he really should have asserted his authority more. It seems that he had his hands tied by the RFU and the other coaches in his team. Feel sorry for the guy.

English Lurker

G'day and Konnichiwa

matthew8 wrote: »

It's a shame if Baxter didn't want it. He's done a great job at Exeter, they've played well above the sum of their parts. They've been very progressive too, they were extremely unlucky not to make the playoffs last year. He even had a stint coaching England during the last Lions tour when they went to Argentina, and apparently he was a hit with the players. The results were good too, but they were playing an experimental team.

I agree with this, but on the plus side it allows him to gain more experience before taking on the job which he does probably need, so not all bad.

.ak wrote: »

I still think letting Lancaster go was silly. WC aside England have been very good under him.

Each to their own but I've probably said a few times now that I don't hold with this

NiallBoo

Poor guy,
He'll have his hands tied in most issues and will spend a lot of the next four years beating his head against the wall and being a scape-goat.

Still, good from an England point of view I think. Good for them to try something different.

Alf Veedersane

He's a big proponent of contracting internationals centrally and in a big way but you'd have thought it highly unlikely that that would happen in England.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

lancaster had to go just like henry and hansen would have if NZ had lost their home world cup.
as for jones he is a good coach and is available now.
At the next 6 nations he will be a twice world cup winner. Thats got to stand for something.

Eoinbmw

Jones is the flavour of the month ! He is a journey man and id be surprised if he lasts more than 2 years!
English rugby must be in a bad place if they cant find one decent coach from within!

vienne86

I'm surprised they have appointed an non-English coach, but I think they seem to have made a good choice. Good luck to him - awful job IMO. I too feel sorry for Lancaster - I thought he did a good job with England post Martin Johnson.

jacothelad

swiwi_ wrote: »

Not going to get into an argument over it but this has not been a golden generation for France and England were ultimately very disappointing in the rwc. Yes the 6N 2015 was great but not because of 2 great English and French teams. That's all I'm saying. I'm Swiss actually

There's a malicious rumour doing the rounds that you have a job there going in and out of a little clock. I don't believe it for a second.......:D

awec

.ak wrote: »

I still think letting Lancaster go was silly. WC aside England have been very good under him.

He'd be getting a lot less criticism if he hadn't panicked and reverted to trying to play bosh rugby when the going got tough.

He won nothing during his time and all the talk was of him building a team for the WC, but England offered little when push came to shove, not helped by his crazy team selections.

swiwi_

jacothelad wrote: »

There's a malicious rumour doing the rounds that you have a job there going in and out of a little clock. I don't believe it for a second.......:D

Are you calling me a coq, jaco?

jacothelad

swiwi_ wrote: »

Are you calling me a coq, jaco?

Nein....Or whatever they say in your canton......:D

Snickers Man

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

He's a big proponent of contracting internationals centrally and in a big way but you'd have thought it highly unlikely that that would happen in England.

That's probably because he's Australian and it seems perfectly natural to do that in an environment (both sporting and economic) where that makes sense. But it ain't going to work in Europe. There's just too many players, too much money and there's no way you can restrict the overall market for professionalism to just the national sides.

Personally I don't like the power of the big clubs and the sort of potentate that pulls their strings but it's a fact of life and we just have to get on with it.

Pink Fairy

jacothelad wrote: »

Nein....Or whatever they say in your canton......:D

Swiwi does seem to move around quite a lot....apt that Romany is one of the national languages of Switzerland

swiwi_

Pink Fairy wrote: »

Swiwi does seem to move around quite a lot....apt that Romany is one of the national languages of Switzerland

Ha ha. It's Rumantsch (apparently a cousin of Latin) not Romany but nice try...

I say give Martin Johnson another lash at it

Jacovs

Just to point out, he wasnt the current japan coach. He was unveiled as the new stormers head coach only 8 days ago. So little more than a week into a 3 year deal and he's already gone again. Us stormers fans had such high hopes for next season.

thomond2006

vienne86 wrote: »

I'm surprised they have appointed an non-English coach, but I think they seem to have made a good choice. Good luck to him - awful job IMO. I too feel sorry for Lancaster - I thought he did a good job with England post Martin Johnson.

It's many things, but an awful job it is not.

stephen_n

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's many things, but an awful job it is not.

I assume he means managing public and press expectations and the pasting Lancaster took.

ThisRegard

Was Jones out of contract with Japan?

Pudsy33

ThisRegard wrote: »

Was Jones out of contract with Japan?

He was contracted to the Stormers afaik