Motor tax

Nemecis

I bought a car a few days ago. The previous owner's tax was due to 6/2015/ I went online to see what's going on and saw that this car has arrears from 1/10/2015 till 31/10/2015. I got the car from him on 26th October. Do I have to pay the arrears?

Atlantic Dawn

You have to pay the full month unless you declare it off the road.

Supergurrier

You don't pay any arrears, just from the 1st day of the month of date you signed on bottom right of logbook.

bazz26

If the date of transfer of ownership was the 26th October then you will have to pay motor tax for the beginning of October.

Nemecis

If I don't pay tax on time, can I still move the car around or do I have to pay it and receive the paper?

TheChizler

And don't make the mistake of thinking you have to wait for the registration cert to come back to tax it, bought my car at the end of a month, waited a day and taxed it and had to pay the full previous month plus penalty.

Supergurrier

Nemecis wrote: »

If I don't pay tax on time, can I still move the car around or do I have to pay it and receive the paper?

What i would have done is when signing logbook take a picture on phone of the logbook filled out with date clear to see.

It would take a bad guard to pull you for tax out less than 3 weeks if you have this.

punisher5112

Nemecis wrote: »

If I don't pay tax on time, can I still move the car around or do I have to pay it and receive the paper?

it is an offence to drive without valid tax disc.

You should be ok once you have only purchased it and you have 10 days from change of ownership registration to declare off the road.

You can do all this on motortax.ie including retrieving your pin.

Nemecis

We recently moved to Ireland and I have no idea how things work around cars. Thanks!!

Supergurrier

TheChizler wrote: »

And don't make the mistake of thinking you have to wait for the registration cert to come back to tax it, bought my car at the end of a month, waited a day and taxed it and had to pay the full previous month plus penalty.

If you had waited for the ownership to transfer you wouldn't have had to pay the penalty as it wasn't yours to pay. You can check status here

https://www.motortax.ie/PSE/start.do?page=welcome

Bongalongherb

bazz26 wrote: »

If the date of transfer of ownership was the 26th October then you will have to pay motor tax for the beginning of October.

Well that didn't happen me a few years ago unless things have changed lately. I purchased my car privately on the 24th of the month and the car was not taxed at the time so I called motor tax office and they said that I will only have to pay for the first day of the new month November not the passed month.

Why should a person pay for the full month when the transfer of ownership was the 26th October ? This did not happen me and I was told by the tax-office that I only have to pay motor tax for the first month of november and I didn't have to pay for the whole month of October.

TheChizler

Supergurrier wrote: »

If you had waited for the ownership to transfer you wouldn't have had to pay the penalty as it wasn't yours to pay. You can check status here

https://www.motortax.ie/PSE/start.do?page=welcome

Ownership transfers the moment you hand over the last Euro unfortunately.

wonski

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well that didn't happen me a few years ago unless things have changed lately. I purchased my car privately on the 24th of the month and the car was not taxed at the time so I called motor tax office and they said that I will only have to pay for the first day of the new month November not the passed month.

Why should a person pay for the full month when the transfer of ownership was the 26th October ? This did not happen me and I was told by the tax-office that I only have to pay motor tax for the first month of november and I didn't have to pay for the whole month of October.

That is how it works, unfortunately.

OP is seeing these arrears for a reason when logged on to motortax.ie website.

Supergurrier

TheChizler wrote: »

Ownership transfers the moment you hand over the last Euro unfortunately.

Ownership transers once shannon change the details online and you can keep track of it on the link above, online anyway as pin retrival is impossible without it being processed.

Did you pay it in person ?

wonski

Supergurrier wrote: »

Ownership transers once shannon change the details online and you can keep track of it on the link above, online anyway as pin retrival is impossible without it being processed.

Did you pay it in person ?

Guys, read the original post...

Op has logged on to motortax and has to pay for October to tax it now.

BTW when Shannon transfers the ownership they use date of sale, not date of receiving the paperwork.

Supergurrier

wonski wrote: »

Guys, read the original post...

Op has logged on to motortax and has to pay for October to tax it now.

BTW when Shannon transfers the ownership they use date of sale, not date of receiving the paperwork.

This i know and i answered above, im asking user i quoted an unrelated but somewhat relevant question.

wonski

Supergurrier wrote: »

This i know and i answered above, im asking user i quoted an unrelated but somewhat relevant question.

But, no offence, you are wrong.

Date of sale is 26/10

Arrears for October are due.

Regardless of when and how you pay.

Fair or not, that's how it works.

Bongalongherb

wonski wrote: »

But, no offence, you are wrong.

Date of sale is 26/10

Arrears for October are due.

Regardless of when and how you pay.

Fair or not, that's how it works.

Well that is interesting because I was curious myself reading this thread as It was the first day of the new month I had to only pay for. That's not right, but as you say... that's the way it is I suppose now. I'm still shocked though.

Supergurrier

wonski wrote: »

But, no offence, you are wrong.

Date of sale is 26/10

Arrears for October are due.

Regardless of when and how you pay.

Fair or not, that's how it works.

Read what i posted above. It's not arrears from the 1st it's the month you bought it in so it's tax due.

Arrears would be tax outstanding when previous owner had car sat up not declared off the road.

Maybe person i quoted is using the term arrears in taxation terms wrong as thats what arrears are and the new owner is not liable. Only from first day of the month they bought on which ain't arrears.

wonski

Supergurrier wrote: »

Read what i posted above. It's not arrears from the 1st it's the month you bought it in so it's tax due.

Arrears would be tax outstanding when previous owner had car sat up not declared off the road.

Maybe person i quoted is using the term arrears in taxation terms wrong as thats what arrears are and the new owner is not liable. Only from first day of the month they bought on which ain't arrears.

Ok. Arrears or not it has to be paid no matter how you call it.

Tax due is from first day of October.

Small difference for op. It is not arrears, though. Agreed.

CiniO

Supergurrier wrote: »

Read what i posted above. It's not arrears from the 1st it's the month you bought it in so it's tax due.

Arrears would be tax outstanding when previous owner had car sat up not declared off the road.

Maybe person i quoted is using the term arrears in taxation terms wrong as thats what arrears are and the new owner is not liable. Only from first day of the month they bought on which ain't arrears.

You are wrong about that.
Arrears are due for months in which tax was not paid.
OP was liable for tax from 1st October as he bought vehicle on 26th October.

Today we have 18th November.
He can tax vehicle for 3 months minimum, which would be for November, December, January. But to do it, he will need to pay arrears for October.

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

You are wrong about that.
Arrears are due for months in which tax was not paid.
OP was liable for tax from 1st October as he bought vehicle on 26th October.

Today we have 18th November.
He can tax vehicle for 3 months minimum, which would be for November, December, January. But to do it, he will need to pay arrears for October.

Have to delete my last post

That's what I thought initially, but another poster got me confused...

Supergurrier

CiniO wrote: »

You are wrong about that.
Arrears are due for months in which tax was not paid.
OP was liable for tax from 1st October as he bought vehicle on 26th October.

Today we have 18th November.
He can tax vehicle for 3 months minimum, which would be for November, December, January. But to do it, he will need to pay arrears for October.

That's not arrears in taxation terms its tax due in period of ownership(See arrears section on a tax form) that is the period in which they were the owner as dated on log book.

Supergurrier

wonski wrote: »

Have to delete my last post

That's what I thought initially, but another poster got me confused...

No probs, i only asked poster i quoted as i am waiting on logbook of new car and thought there was a magical way to tax it before ownership was transferred across so was curious.

/goes back to refreshing link posted above

guil

Supergurrier wrote: »

That's not arrears in taxation terms its tax due in period of ownership(See arrears section on a tax form) that is the period in which they were the owner as dated on log book.

It is arrears. You can only tax a car from the current month.

wonski

Just let me know who is right and who is wrong guys

Those tax and insurance threads are hot these days

slimjimmc

Supergurrier wrote: »

No probs, i only asked poster i quoted as i am waiting on logbook of new car and thought there was a magical way to tax it before ownership was transferred across so was curious.

/goes back to refreshing link posted above

There is, according to the Dept. of Environment you just walk into your Motor Tax office, fill the form and pay your money. No need to wait for Shannon to do their thing.
http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/Renewal/

guil

Arrears are any months you are liable for prior to the current month. Op bought the car in October and is liable for that month. It's now November so can't tax it for three months from October so its arrears and tax from November.

Supergurrier

guil wrote: »

It is arrears. You can only tax a car from the current month.

*Sigh*

If you buy a car on the 26th oct or whatever you owe for the month on which your ownership begins which is october so you are liable for tax that month from the 1st and the disc you recieve will reflect that.

After 3 weeks or so some motor tax centres will give you an option of just going from the 1st of that month or putting the previous month as arrears and paying from the 1st of the next month for your 3/6/12 months.

Depends on the teller really and when you recieve logbook.

Nemecis

I just made a payment for the tax arrears plus three months ahead. Can I drive the car or do I have to wait for the tax disc paper to come ?

TheChizler

Supergurrier wrote: »

Ownership transers once shannon change the details online and you can keep track of it on the link above, online anyway as pin retrival is impossible without it being processed.

Did you pay it in person ?

Paid it online, I was waiting for the cert because I thought they would send my pin with it, I went online for the fun of it before receiving anything and it turned out I could pay without a pin somehow.

As it was the first day of the next month, and I had bought the car two days previously and hadn't taxed it for that month, I was caught for a penalty plus the regular tax from the month I taxed it. I might have said slightly incorrectly previously that I had to pay the previous month plus a penalty, which is in practice effectively true as the penalty was far greater than the the pro rata price of a month.

millington

Nemecis wrote: »

I just made a payment for the tax arrears plus three months ahead. Can I drive the car or do I have to wait for the tax disc paper to come ?

Drive away, if stopped, Garda can check the reg and it will come up taxed.


I bought a car in May and filled in the date 30/05/15. Shannon some how transferred ownership to me from 30/05/2014 and would not change it for love nor money, asking for 12 months arrears on a 2.5 :eek: filled the book out in a family members name, went into the tax office with cash and taxed it for 3 months, job done

punisher5112

10 days to declare off road. Then tax at start of new month if that suits then you get full month of tax disc.

Nichard Dixon

Nemecis wrote: »

I just made a payment for the tax arrears plus three months ahead. Can I drive the car or do I have to wait for the tax disc paper to come ?

You are now taxed, but can get a ticket for non display, for example while parked. I'd drive the car.

wonski

TheChizler wrote: »

Paid it online, I was waiting for the cert because I thought they would send my pin with it, I went online for the fun of it before receiving anything and it turned out I could pay without a pin somehow.

As it was the first day of the next month, and I had bought the car two days previously and hadn't taxed it for that month, I was caught for a penalty plus the regular tax from the month I taxed it. I might have said slightly incorrectly previously that I had to pay the previous month plus a penalty, which is in practice effectively true as the penalty was far greater than the the pro rata price of a month.

In theory you can be fined for non display.

If you have a copy of inline receipt, that would help, but do not park it in council operated car park spaces.

When was it last taxed?

I would just drive it anyway since you taxed it, but there is a small risk of getting a fine.

You might as well receive your disc in the post tomorrow btw.

You can track it on motortax.ie, if it was sent, then it usually is delivered next day.

Nemecis

Do I have to wait for the insurance paper to come, too ? I have paid it a couple days ago and I'm waiting for it.

wonski

You can drive for 10 days (from the day policy starts) without it.

yoginindublin

question on motor tax, if my tax disc says 2015-12 does it mean that my tax expires on the 31st of december or on the 30th of November?

Supergurrier

yoginindublin wrote: »

question on motor tax, if my tax disc says 2015-12 does it mean that my tax expires on the 31st of december or on the 30th of November?

31st dec

lanos

punisher5112 wrote: »

10 days to declare off road. Then tax at start of new month if that suits then you get full month of tax disc.

how does this work

example

Car for sale has no tax (don't know if arrears are due)
27 november: i buy car and sign transfer papers
27 november: car is delivered to me by dealer with garage plates
1 December: i drive car on public road


1. can i declare car off the road retrospectively once i receive reg docs from shannon and not be due for november tax ?

2. and if there is a delay in receiving docs, do i miss my chance to declare car off-road ?


it was so straightforward before the new non-use declaration rules were created

slimjimmc

lanos wrote: »

how does this work

example

Car for sale has no tax (don't know if arrears are due)
27 november: i buy car and sign transfer papers
27 november: car is delivered to me by dealer with garage plates
1 December: i drive car on public road


1. can i declare car off the road retrospectively once i receive reg docs from shannon and not be due for november tax ?

2. and if there is a delay in receiving docs, do i miss my chance to declare car off-road ?


it was so straightforward before the new non-use declaration rules were created

1. Yes but you must declare it off the road within 10 days of the 27th Nov inclusive. You don't need to wait until you have the new reg docs in your hand, you just need to wait until Shannon have recorded the car as being in your name then you can declare online. However to declare online you need you request a PIN which is issued to the registered owner on file which is why you have to wait until Shannon have processed the transfer. You can use the Vehicle Transaction Enquiry to check if a new owner has been recorded.

If the dealer has registered with the Dept of Transport, Tourism & Sport he should be able to record the transfer of ownership online thereby cutting out any delays with paperwork. You would be registered as the owner virtually immediately (or at least the next day to allow for batch database updates overnight).

2. AFAIK yes but if you do the above it shouldn't happen.

lanos

slimjimmc wrote: »

1. Yes but you must declare it off the road within 10 days of the 27th Nov inclusive. You don't need to wait until you have the new reg docs in your hand, you just need to wait until Shannon have recorded the car as being in your name then you can declare online. However to declare online you need you request a PIN which is issued to the registered owner on file which is why you have to wait until Shannon have processed the transfer. You can use the Vehicle Transaction Enquiry to check if a new owner has been recorded.

If the dealer has registered with the Dept of Transport, Tourism & Sport he should be able to record the transfer of ownership online thereby cutting out any delays with paperwork. You would be registered as the owner virtually immediately (or at least the next day to allow for batch database updates overnight).

2. AFAIK yes but if you do the above it shouldn't happen.

Thanks for the valuable info and the link to the website which contained a FAQ section
Q14 states 21 days, however, you stated 10 days.
has this duration changed or is this referring to something else ?


Q14. I've just bought a vehicle - how can I make a declaration that I intend to keep it off the road for a while?
A14. If you have just bought a new vehicle or just acquired a second hand one and do not intend to use it immediately, you will have 21 days from the date of purchase (as specified in the registration document or the notification of transfer of vehicle ownership) to furnish a declaration of non-use. In that case, the declaration will commence from the first day of the month in which the sale takes place, or the first day of the month of registration in the case of new vehicles.

Make sure you notify the seller that you are intending to declare the vehicle off the road and that you need him or her to ensure that the change of ownership is notified to the National Vehicle and Driver File as soon as possible.