passat or superb or octavia or accord

the quiet fella

I am sure this has probably been asked thousand times already. Looking at purchasing one of the above. Will be buying straight with no trade in. From looking online budget would appear to allow a purchase from 2010-2012 approx. looking at 2.0 diesel min

any recommendations or things to look out for

bazz26

How did the Octavia find it's way onto that list given that it's from the segment below the others? Octavia is a Golf rival.

mickdw

Yes octavia is out of its depth there.
Also you say 2.0d min. You will do well to find anything bigger than a 2.0l diesel in any of those except for the accord.

CJhaughey

Mk4-4.5 Mondeo comes in 2.0 and 2.2d formats as well.
Worth a look/drive.

hof1982

the quiet fella wrote: »

I am sure this has probably been asked thousand times already. Looking at purchasing one of the above. Will be buying straight with no trade in. From looking online budget would appear to allow a purchase from 2010-2012 approx. looking at 2.0 diesel min

any recommendations or things to look out for

I'm driving an 09 accord at the moment. Pretty reliable, very well specced with plenty of gadgets. Reasonable economy also but it wouldn't match the other options you have listed, I'm getting mid 40's most of the time but if your heavy on the shoe then it wouldn't give you that.
Things to look out for would be DPF, and brakes especially on UK cars.

Ron Burgundy II

I have a 2011 2.0 TDi Passat Highline. Well I'm trading it in, in Jan for a new car. Find it to be very nice car to be in. No longer doing any big distances over the past 12 months so decided to part company with it, other wise I would have held onto it for a few more years.

I would definitely look out for the highland version of the Passat.

The 150BHP in the 2.0 isn't bad either in terms of power and MPG
I'm averaging in and around the 50 mark.

Space and spec is incredible inside the cabin.

With all diesels you have issues of DMF and DPF this isn't make dependent its on all modern diesels.

bazz26

Should look at the Passat CC also if you want something a little different looking.

johnnyskeleton

bazz26 wrote: »

How did the Octavia find it's way onto that list given that it's from the segment below the others? Octavia is a Golf rival.

The new octavias are pretty much cheaper passats. The skoda rapid is now the golf rival.

bazz26

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The new octavias are pretty much cheaper passats. The skoda rapid is now the golf rival.

Bit of an old debate but here goes.

The Octavia while a little larger than the Golf is still aimed at the Golf size segment same as the Seat Leon. The Rapid is based on the Polo while still a little larger. Seat sell the Toledo which replaced the old Cordoba and is the exact same car as the Rapid, the Toledo now sits below the Leon. VW sell the Rapid/Toledo in certain countries and called it the Polo saloon. The Superb competes with the Passat, both are significantly bigger than an Octavia.

MuppetCheck

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The new octavias are pretty much cheaper passats. The skoda rapid is now the golf rival.

Bar a similarly large ass the Octavia isn't a Passat rival. It's a notch down on a Golf even IMO.

The rapid is a third world country car.

duffman3833

i am currently looking for similar myself, i was looking at passat 2.0tdi 2010 with the PD engine, blue-motion ones are more economically but still Ive heard its a good engine and can get them between €11-13k. Also looked at 09 Accord. Very nice car, if you can get the gt spec you will get everything you ever need like heated seat, reverse camera, sat nav etc. It comes in 2.2 diesel, probably get in high 40s in terms of mpg if your not a heavy footed driver but the 09 one i found was €14k so it all depends on your needs and budget.

mickdw

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The new octavias are pretty much cheaper passats. The skoda rapid is now the golf rival.

Go look at / sit in an octavia and a new passat.
The passat (and superb) are impressive cars in terms of size and fit out. The octavia is in a whole other lower league.

Tea 1000

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

The 150BHP in the 2.0 isn't bad either in terms of power and MPG
I'm averaging in and around the 50 mark.

It's 140bhp, not 150. It's only 150 in the latest model.

johnnyskeleton

mickdw wrote: »

Go look at / sit in an octavia and a new passat.
The passat (and superb) are impressive cars in terms of size and fit out. The octavia is in a whole other lower league.

Until the newest passat the octavia was about an inch less long and less wide than the passat. This isnt based on "i feel it when i sit into it" impressions, but based on the manufacturers specifications. Hardly a different league.

The new passat is a bit bigger than the octavia, but its smaller than the new superb. So based purely on size the passat is not in the same league as the superb, by your logic. The only cars that are in the exact same league are those which share the same chassis.

Golfs, on the other hand, are usually four door hatchbacks. They are not only significantly smaller, but they have a completely different shape.

As regards the bells and whistles sure the passat has more as standard but also costs more. You can actually pay the manufacturer more money and get a kit out higher than the standard if you like. Youd probably even get better value for money by loading up a skoda.

But people put a lot of stock on brand names!

mickdw

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Until the newest passat the octavia was about an inch less long and less wide than the passat. This isnt based on "i feel it when i sit into it" impressions, but based on the manufacturers specifications. Hardly a different league.

The new passat is a bit bigger than the octavia, but its smaller than the new superb. So based purely on size the passat is not in the same league as the superb, by your logic. The only cars that are in the exact same league are those which share the same chassis.

Golfs, on the other hand, are usually four door hatchbacks. They are not only significantly smaller, but they have a completely different shape.

As regards the bells and whistles sure the passat has more as standard but also costs more. You can actually pay the manufacturer more money and get a kit out higher than the standard if you like. Youd probably even get better value for money by loading up a skoda.

But people put a lot of stock on brand names!

Ok I will play your silly game.
Current passat wheelbase 2791 mm
Current octavia wheelbase 2680 mm

Last passat wheelbase 2712 mm
last octavia wheelbase 2578 mm

So current passat is 111 mm longer wheel centre to wheel centre than current octavia. That's alot and that is for the main part the dimension that dictates interior space.

Previous passat is 134 mm longer wheelbase than previous octavia.

Current superb is 2841 - thats 50 mm longer then passat. That is significant to be fair the superb had always given more leg room but nowhere near the 111 mm difference between passat and octavia.

In terms of fit, finish and style the passat and superb are competing now also whereas the octavia is far behind in those areas too.
I don't know where your argument is. The octavia is a class below. There is no serious debate to be had.
As an example, the current ford focus is 2648 mm again clearly a class below and similar in dimension to octavia wheelbase.

bazz26

Manufacturers can make cars of all shapes and sizes but it has little bearing on the segment they aim them at, the Octavia is a still a 4 door hatchback based on the Golf sold in the Golf segment, similar to the Leon. Just because the Octavia is a bit bigger than a Golf and a bit shorter than the Passat doesn't mean it competes against a Passat whether it's the new model or old one. If that was the case then there would be no need for a Superb.

The Octavia just doesn't have the same level of refinement or comfort that cars from the class above like the Passat, Superb, etc have. You just don't get that level of refinement at that price point. The same way a Superb or Passat don't compete against an Audi A6 or BMW 5 Series despite being not much smaller.

People here are not knocking the Octavia as an inferior car to the Passat or being badge snobs, they are trying to get across the basic fact that the Octavia doesn't or never has competed against the Passat segment no matter what size or shape it is.

johnnyskeleton

mickdw wrote: »

I don't know where your argument is. The octavia is a class below. There is no serious debate to be had.

But by the same token the passat is in a class below the superb. The point is that a previous poster has suggested that the octavia is in a class below the others and should be excluded from consideration by the OP. But, by his logic (and, it seems, yours), the passat should be a class below the superb and so should be excluded as well.

I agree with you there is no debate. Your view based on arbitrary "class" of car isnt exactly helpful to the OP, who wants to know which four door 2l diesel he should get. Excluding a perfectly good car from consideration because it fits into a percieved marketing "segment" is a bit ridiculous, IMO.

Of course, people like you are just as entitled to their opinion as I am, and if you place value on getting a better "class" of car then by all means knock yourself out. But if the OP wants a full sized sedan at a better price then he shouldnt exclude the Octavia.

StereoSound

My Octavia is 2 years old now and I agree it isn't as refined as a Passat. There is an obvious quality difference with the touch and feel aspect of the interior. The car has been good to me but I hate the interior plastics.

My mother only bought a 2011' Seat Ibiza yesturday and IMO the plastics feel nicer . Materials 'I think' in the Seat range are better then the Skoda's. But look..... Its a price segment. Skoda were always the cheaper VW so its to be expected. Good cars all the same. When I trade the Octavia in I may look at the Seat Toledo. Stunning looking car IMO.

Come to think of it people never seem to mention the Seat range much, its always the Skoda or the VW..... Wonder why that is.

Panrich

At that segment in the market, you should get a good car for your money and any of them will be good performers. I currently have a 2012 Accord and I love it. It's not the popular 150BHP model but I have driven that one also and it feels good to me as well. The pluses for the Accord include good mechanical reliability, decent enough service intervals for diesel and good specs on most models. Negatives would be the potential DPF issues and some might complain that it is a bit bland and boring, but personally I prefer a bit understated. Also parts are expensive when needed, but you don't need them too often thankfully.

mickdw

StereoSound wrote: »

My Octavia is 2 years old now and I agree it isn't as refined as a Passat. There is an obvious quality difference with the touch and feel aspect of the interior. The car has been good to me but I hate the interior plastics.

My mother only bought a 2011' Seat Ibiza yesturday and IMO the plastics feel nicer . Materials 'I think' in the Seat range are better then the Skoda's. But look..... Its a price segment. Skoda were always the cheaper VW so its to be expected. Good cars all the same. When I trade the Octavia in I may look at the Seat Toledo. Stunning looking car IMO.

Come to think of it people never seem to mention the Seat range much, its always the Skoda or the VW..... Wonder why that is.

The toledo is a toy of a thing now.
It's the skoda rapid. A serious downgrade from the octavia.

bazz26

Yeah the Rapid and Toledo are pretty much a re-engineered Polo saloon which is the segment below the Octavia. Again the level of quality and refinement drops the lower down the segments you go.

screamer

Such squabbling over this class that spec ...... OP forget the specs driver experience is more important than anything. Go drive them and make your own decision on what you prefer.