Advise on heating upgrade options

gar

Hi guys,

Looking for some advice on what to do with my current heading system and how far I run away with myself.
Currently have 3 bed semi with gas boiler about 12 years old. No TRVs installed. Water heated by gas or immersion. There is a thermostat also. Only one zone set up.

I was thinking of just installing a nest and see how that works out.
What could I do instead? Any way of linking the immersion?
Should I get TRVs and some zones set up? 8 rads in the house I think. Costs involved in various options?

Thanks

Garrett

Dtp1979

gar wrote: »

Hi guys,

Looking for some advice on what to do with my current heading system and how far I run away with myself.
Currently have 3 bed semi with gas boiler about 12 years old. No TRVs installed. Water heated by gas or immersion. There is a thermostat also. Only one zone set up.

I was thinking of just installing a nest and see how that works out.
What could I do instead? Any way of linking the immersion?
Should I get TRVs and some zones set up? 8 rads in the house I think. Costs involved in various options?

Thanks

Garrett

Nest and similar products are cute gimmick ideas to be honest.
Seperate living area/bedrooms/hot water. Use programmable room stats. Install trvs on all the rads.
Install a weather compensation unit to your boiler. It's cheap but works fantastic.( the colder it is outside, the hotter your boiler heats the rads and vice versa)
If you program your programmable room stays then your house will always maintain a comfortable heat.
If your heart is set on remote access via an app, then you can purchase a simple wifi plug and wire it into your living area stat. That's what I did. It's nice to have but I haven't used it once.
All of the above will also get you a SEAI grant of €750.
That also il means you have to install a new boiler too

LMK

You might consider something similar to this - I've 2 Danfoss Prog. Room Thermostats http://www.uk-plumbing.com/danfoss-randall-tp7000-programmable-room-thermostat-p-1313.html, controlling living area & bedrooms, hot water is on a timer

gar

Thanks for the replies guys.

Think I'll end up going down the nest route. The honeywell would be just too expensive and I like the idea of it learning your habits...

One thing I'm trying to get my head around is how it will control the hot water tank as the latest version can.
Current system is gas and also have immersion. The gas will heat the hot water also obviously. So is this a s type or y type or what type? I do know its a closed system as there is an expansion vessel beside the hot water tank of that helps.

In terms of wiring it into the nest I'm assuming I'll need to get a wire from the hot water tank down to the gas boiler?
As its the gas and immersion are on two different timers

Thanks for reading the ramble

Gar

K.Flyer

"S" and "Y" systems refer to central heating systems have been installed using particular electronic zoning valves so that you can heat water with your gas (or oil) boiler independent of the radiator circuits, that is to say, without having to go around turning off each of your radiators by their valves.
If you do not have at least a 2 zone system (hot water / radiator split) then I would advise not to bother spending your money on the Nest, but to use it instead to put towards zoning your system.

smurra3

K.Flyer wrote: »

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If you do not have at least a 2 zone system (hot water / radiator split) then I would advise not to bother spending your money on the Nest, but to use it instead to put towards zoning your system.

How much to change from Gars 2 zone (Rads/Hot water) to say a 3 zone (Rads upstairs/Rads Downstairs/Hot water)
Mine is very similar to Gavs with just a manual valve to isolate the Hot water.
I hope that makes sense, sorry I know nothing about heating.

Cheers.

smurra3

Have you looked at Owl?

2012paddy2012

K.Flyer wrote: »

"S" and "Y" systems refer to central heating systems have been installed using particular electronic zoning valves so that you can heat water with your gas (or oil) boiler independent of the radiator circuits, that is to say, without having to go around turning off each of your radiators by their valves.
If you do not have at least a 2 zone system (hot water / radiator split) then I would advise not to bother spending your money on the Nest, but to use it instead to put towards zoning your system.

Sorry for hopping in here if you don't mind could I make quick enquiry as my set up is 2 zone (HW @rad split) as you say... I wanted to just exclude the kitchen only (3rads) one fed direct from boiler 2 from manifold ... At tank Q. Is it possible to electronically to switch off kitchen 3 rads while rest of rads heat up!?its all or nothing at mo unless you go and turn the 3 on or off as required which is a pain all 3 have TRV doesn't help tho...sorry again for cutting across thread. Thank paddy

K.Flyer

smurra3 wrote: »

How much to change from Gars 2 zone (Rads/Hot water) to say a 3 zone (Rads upstairs/Rads Downstairs/Hot water)
Mine is very similar to Gavs with just a manual valve to isolate the Hot water.
I hope that makes sense, sorry I know nothing about heating.

Cheers.

Very hard for anyone to price without taking a look at it. As you already have a manual valve you can at least automate the hot water / heating zones. Splitting the heating may be straight forward or a major headache depending on how the rest of the system has been installed.

K.Flyer

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

Sorry for hopping in here if you don't mind could I make quick enquiry as my set up is 2 zone (HW @rad split) as you say... I wanted to just exclude the kitchen only (3rads) one fed direct from boiler 2 from manifold ... At tank Q. Is it possible to electronically to switch off kitchen 3 rads while rest of rads heat up!?its all or nothing at mo unless you go and turn the 3 on or off as required which is a pain all 3 have TRV doesn't help tho...sorry again for cutting across thread. Thank paddy

Again almost impossible to answer without looking at the system.
Nothing is impossible, it just depends on how the system has been installed and what degree of re-plumbing is invlolved.
You may be lucky with the layout or it may not be financially worth all the trouble.

2012paddy2012

K.Flyer wrote: »

Again almost impossible to answer without looking at the system.
Nothing is impossible, it just depends on how the system has been installed and what degree of re-plumbing is invlolved.
You may be lucky with the layout or it may not be financially worth all the trouble.

Thanks.... Would you know (probably better in electrical) can you say , is there such ... a thing as .... As a TRV that operates on/ off ... By a remote control... I'm thinking firing three TRV that would operate on one remote allowing me to switch all 3 on or off together...

dathi

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

Thanks.... Would you know (probably better in electrical) can you say , is there such ... a thing as .... As a TRV that operates on/ off ... By a remote control... I'm thinking firing three TRV that would operate on one remote allowing me to switch all 3 on or off together...

https://www.thesmartshop.co.uk/lightwaverf/store/remote-heating-control/jsjslw922-lightwaverf-wireless-thermostatic-radiator-valves-trv

2012paddy2012

dathi wrote: »

https://www.thesmartshop.co.uk/lightwaverf/store/remote-heating-control/jsjslw922-lightwaverf-wireless-thermostatic-radiator-valves-trv

Ah dathi your a lifesaver that's exactly what I have been searching for , for months!! Cheers ... Have you tried it yourself? Woukd you know of any stockists in Dublin / Meath ? By any chance ... Thanks again

2012paddy2012

dathi wrote: »

https://www.thesmartshop.co.uk/lightwaverf/store/remote-heating-control/jsjslw922-lightwaverf-wireless-thermostatic-radiator-valves-trv

Ah should have known !! Brutal reviews such a pity .... It's exactly what I'm looking for ... You can program them etc all I want is to switch on / off remotely but thanks a lot for the suggestion