Collective Remembrance how much is enough?

gormdubhgorm

At the moment we have places in the world in Australia, Ireland, England and the USA covered in the French colours.

Also we will have minutes silence at football grounds. But that is not enough for some people: for example on an Irish radio station the presenter suggested that the crowd sing the Marseillaises as well as have a minutes silence. He was very earnest and excited about this "amazing" idea. Until a texter told him to "get a grip and a minutes silence was enough". The other presenter called him a "a very heartless person". But I could see the texter's point.

Does this type of over the top remembrance really help with peoples healing process or is it just a vehicle wear everyone can jump on the bandwagon and out do each other to show how soooo sad they are?

I know if I lost friends or family all the over the top stuff would just completely piss me off.

Hearing the phrases "puts into perspective" and "solidarity" from people in the media is bad enough besides all this tacky stuff. If any body has seen Kay Burley's tweet from sky news with the "dog with sad eyes" it sums up the direction it has taken.

It only happened on Friday, not a year ago or five years.

Showing solidarity with the French is one way of showing that terrorists won't divide and conquer us. It's worth putting in a tiny bit of effort for a few days to drive that point home.

I wouldn't be able to sing the French anthem, and I don't think many non-French could, so that idea is a bit daft.

major bill

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

At the moment we have places in the world in Australia, Ireland, England and the USA covered in the French colours.

Also we will have minutes silence at football grounds. But that is not enough for some people: for example on an Irish radio station the presenter suggested that the crowd sing the Marseilles as well as have a minutes silence. He was very earnest and excited about this "amazing" idea. Until a texter told him to "get a grip and a minutes silence was enough". The other presenter called him a "a very heartless person". But I could see the texter's point.

Does this type of over the top remembrance really help with peoples healing process or is it just a vehicle wear everyone can jump on the bandwagon and out do each other to show how soooo sad they are?

I know if I lost friends or family all the over the top stuff would just completely piss me off.

Hearing the phrases "puts into perspective" and "solidarity" from people in the media is bad enough besides all this tacky stuff. If any body has seen Kay Burley's tweet from sky news with the "dog with sad eyes" it sums up the direction it has taken.

singing the French national anthem is a no for me, where do you draw the line then?? a minutes silence is enough

kneemos

When companies jump in,such as Amazons French flag,it's time to tune out.

SEPT 23 1989

The only thing worth listening to are the words of the French president

We are at war attacked by an army

AllGunsBlazing

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If any body has seen Kay Burley's tweet from sky news with the "dog with sad eyes" it sums up the direction it has taken.

You'd think Parisians have suffered enough already, but now they have to put up with that woman effectively trolling them with her presence.

Into The Blue

During the sports bulletin earlier, the lad was saying it would be a catastrophy if Ireland were beaten tomorrow.

The dj then went on to apologize and try and explain (for no reason) that it was only a catastrophy in football terms and is nothing compared to the scenes in Paris......

*RADIO OFF!!!!!*

Thought avoiding twitter, Facebook, various boards threads would be enough.. not so.

mahamageehad

The problem is that there's a tragedy somewhere everyday. I find the french flag profile pictures on Facebook distasteful and an example of the selective empathy of the west. I think the buildings lighting up and the messages of support quite heartfelt.

dpofloinn

Lets take this war to those terrorists by changing our profile pictures with tri colours , with this significant and powerful action we'll have this war finished by Christmas.:rolleyes:

TheNobleKipper

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also we will have minutes silence at football grounds. But that is not enough for some people: for example on an Irish radio station the presenter suggested that the crowd sing the Marseilles as well as have a minutes silence. He was very earnest and excited about this "amazing" idea.

They asked you to sing a city? Really? Well their football club hasn't had the best run so far lately but really...not sure why you'd need the Irish crowd to cheer for them.

Into The Blue

dpofloinn wrote: »

Lets take this war to those terrorists by changing our profile pictures with tri colours , with this significant and powerful action we'll have this war finished by Christmas.

But then they'll retaliate with images of their countries!! Only one winner there

corner of hells

TheNobleKipper wrote: »

They asked you to sing a city? Really? Well their football club hasn't had the best run so far lately but really...not sure why you'd need the Irish crowd to cheer for them.

I think you know what he means.

gormdubhgorm

major bill wrote: »

singing the French national anthem is a no for me, where do you draw the line then?? a minutes silence is enough

Yeah just the usual stuff black-armbands minutes silence is fine. I feel that anything else is going over the top and just taking the piss, and is a false sincerity. More of of a show then a show of solidarity. Maybe the twitter/facebook generation feel differently, I don't know? But I think there should be limits.
Minutes applause have become fashionable in recent years, but it is probably not appropriate in this scenario.

gormdubhgorm

TheNobleKipper wrote: »

They asked you to sing a city? Really? Well their football club hasn't had the best run so far lately but really...not sure why you'd need the Irish crowd to cheer for them.

I fixed it for you :P

TheNobleKipper

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I fixed it for you :P

Ahh sorry!!

I actually agree with you. I find the attacks atrocious and actually felt really uncomfortable following the events on the news-channels that night..but I don't understand how singing a foreign countries anthem is going to change anything. This facebook trend of changing your profile picture is just bizarre....mainly because the same people will change it back in a while.

I feel perfectly entitled feeling bad about what happened in Paris, because this is just so close to home. I know terror attacks also happened in Beirut and elsewhere, but I doubt a large number of people in Beirut will be attacking each other for feeling more compassionate about their local terror attacks than the Paris one.

Guy:Incognito

dpofloinn wrote: »

Lets take this war to those terrorists by changing our profile pictures with tri colours , with this significant and powerful action we'll have this war finished by Christmas.:rolleyes:

You could go join the French army so if you want to do more......


Maybe we just ban any outward show of emotion for anyone not directly helping to fix something.

petrolcan

Those posting French flags as their profile pics are only saying 'I know something terrible has happened but don't forget about me'

The dianafication of society.

Azalea

petrolcan wrote: »

Those posting French flags as their profile pics are only saying 'I know something terrible has happened but don't forget about me'

Depends on the individual.

petrolcan

Azalea wrote: »

Depends on the individual.

Not really. The victims are not updating their social media profiles.

Lights On

Pornhub changing their name on the site to the French flag colours was probably the step that took it too far.

TheNobleKipper

petrolcan wrote: »

Not really. The victims are not updating their social media profiles.

But the friends/ relatives will. I saw people on facebook doing this and commenting/ explaining why they do it and then there were the hordes just changing the picture like they do every time something "noteworthy" happens.

petrolcan

TheNobleKipper wrote: »

But the friends/ relatives will. I saw people on facebook doing this and commenting/ explaining why they do it and then there were the hordes just changing the picture like they do every time something "noteworthy" happens.

'I know something terrible has happened but don't forget about me'

dpofloinn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You could go join the French army so if you want to do more......


Maybe we just ban any outward show of emotion for anyone not directly helping to fix something.

Well done sir played the man and not the ball.

There is no issue with outward emotion. The issue is with the faux outrage and emotion. I would argue that 90% of people who will change their profile pics or like a post or follow a Tweet couldn't give 2 F**ks about the people of Paris, they are only doing it to be seen to be doing it because it is de rigeur. Many of these same people not so long ago were posting about the plight of refugees, they seem to have had a change of heart all of a sudden. In a weeks time they will have moved on to the next great cause that they didn't know they cared about.

Azalea

Which people posting about the plight of the refugees have had a change of heart?

Also, why 90%?

These are just assumptions.

If the French people directly affected by these atrocities get a single iota of comfort from the feeling of solidarity that profile pics of their flags might give them, then I don't really care about the motivations of the people who do it.

That said, I like to think most people I know aren't quite so vacuous that they make empty gestures.

dpofloinn

Azalea wrote: »

Which people posting about the plight of the refugees have had a change of heart?

Also, why 90%?

These are just assumptions.

Of course they are only assumptions, because believe or not I just haven't been able to find the time to question every one on their true feelings about the subject. I can however confirm that a common trait among people is that unless it directly affects them in some way they generally don't care.

dpofloinn

dpofloinn wrote: »

Of course they are only assumptions, because believe or not I just haven't been able to find the time to question every one on their true feelings about the subject. I can however confirm that a common trait among people is that unless it directly affects them in some way they generally don't care.

Might be a common trait among the people you know, but it doesn't mean it's common among everyone else.

Azalea

I get that there are people lacking sincerity for sure - bandwagon-jumping, feigning sorry etc, as there always is.

But there's also the phenomenon of wanting to look all cynical at these times and casting broad aspersion on people's ways of expressing themselves.

Neither good.

gormdubhgorm

Azalea wrote: »

I get that there are people lacking sincerity for sure - bandwagon-jumping, feigning sorry etc, as there always is.

But there's also the phenomenon of wanting to look all cynical at these times and casting broad aspersion on people's ways of expressing themselves.

Neither good.

Is it a good way of expressing themselves? I think it just people blindly following because everyone else is doing it. Then the the whole cause is diluted because of lack of sincerity. It would be enough to turn a sincere person into a cynic!

Azalea

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Is it a good way of expressing themselves? I think it just people blindly following because everyone else is doing it. Then the the whole cause is diluted because of lack of sincerity. It would be enough to turn a sincere person into a cynic!

Oh I've no doubt you're right about some of the folk changing their profile picture - I didn't myself, that kinda thing wouldn't be for me. I'm just saying though that it can't be stated as fact that most of those who are doing it are doing it just because others are doing it and realistically don't give a toss.

People on social media going on about others' lack of sincerity and how great they are for not being "sheep" is just as much of a bandwagon at the moment.

Fox_In_Socks

Candie wrote: »

I wouldn't be able to sing the French anthem, and I don't think many non-French could, so that idea is a bit daft.

Everyone should be able to sing the French National anthem in my opinion (I can't, can only whistle) If a world government ever gets off the ground, that anthem should be the one that's selected.

Poochie05

Got goosebumps hearing them sing it in the French Parliament today on the news

Fr_Dougal

The U.S. Have decided to rename Freedom Fries 'French fries'.

chrissb8

Just feels like a bandwagon. Half the people don't have a clue what it's all about and will just be doing it because maybe they care? I don't know. I just feel like an ass for thinking so cynically but then I see that such and such changed their profile to the French flag and then an hour later liked an article or some s**t from E news about Kendyll Jenner. Superficial or what is all I think.

gormdubhgorm

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Everyone should be able to sing the French National anthem in my opinion (I can't, can only whistle) If a world government ever gets off the ground, that anthem should be the one that's selected.

It is the most catchiest anthem that's for sure just above the Scottish one I think.

CelticRambler

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Everyone should be able to sing the French National anthem in my opinion (I can't, can only whistle) If a world government ever gets off the ground, that anthem should be the one that's selected.

Really great morale booster: "they're coming to slit our throats, but we'll trample in their impure blood ... we'll get revenge, unless we end up in our ancestors' graves."

(Those are the actual lyrics, heavily summarised)

Ireland's Call, anyone?