An hour for a high demand route

LeinsterDub

Went to the Leinster game. Decide to have a pint after and now it's a 55 minute wait for a 4.

Public transport me arse

Tickityboo

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Went to the Leinster game. Decide to have a pint after and now it's a 55 minute wait for a 4.

Public transport me arse

Go for another pint !! :-)

LeinsterDub

Tickityboo wrote: »

Go for another pint !! :-)

A other pint is the guts of a taxi home. One bus an hour on a core route on a match day,shocking

Banjoxed

Buses suck. Dublin Buses suck in a really sucky way. But hey, demand has been "optimised"

dublinman1990

Where do you get the 4 to get to the match OP?

KD345

The sunday timetable reduction on the 4 was one of the worst decisions made during the network changes a few years back. It is baffling that it has not been addressed by the NTA.

When you consider the number of matches at the Aviva and the various weekend events at the RDS, having an hourly frequency on the only cross city service to Ballsbridge is just bad transport planning.

thomasj

Sunday service on most routes are a joke.

Waiting on a bus in hartstown today. I had a choice of a 39 or 39a. My options were 39a in 28 minutes, 39 in 30 minutes and next 39a was in 58 minutes.

LeinsterDub

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Where do you get the 4 to get to the match OP?

Ballymun Road

AlekSmart

KD345 wrote: »

The sunday timetable reduction on the 4 was one of the worst decisions made during the network changes a few years back. It is baffling that it has not been addressed by the NTA.

When you consider the number of matches at the Aviva and the various weekend events at the RDS, having an hourly frequency on the only cross city service to Ballsbridge is just bad transport planning.

Very true indeed.

The Network Direct alterations to the 4 Route were a serious miscalculation from the outset.

The route itself merited significant improvement and expansion,but instead and inexplicably got a substantial chop.

No explanation was ever given for the actions,and it still remains quite a mystery as to why such a potentially successful route was cutback whilst far less viable routes recieved additional resources....Politics ?....Nah,surely not ? :eek:

My understanding is that the NTA have proposals which envisage,a 20% increase in current Saturday Services and a 50% Increase in current Sunday Service levels.

These increased service levels and the phased introduction of 24 hour services had taken a back-seat to the Swiftway project,however the recent Government rethink on the entire Fingal County Public Transport issue may now allow these broader improvements to actually get started.

Fingers Crossed

hytrogen

Raise the issue with OLSC & help get the lads to heckle the NTA into getting us home safer Apres Match! There's enough commercial revenue from sport & Leinster to justify a redress of bus time tables to suit matches!
Meanwhile have another pint

Tickityboo

LeinsterDub wrote: »

A other pint is the guts of a taxi home. One bus an hour on a core route on a match day,shocking

Ah I know mate I was only joking. Sundays can be an extremely busy day on a lot of routes.
But the service is still set up as if there are no shops open and people just go to mass and the pubs still close at half ten.

murphaph

Tickityboo wrote: »

Ah I know mate I was only joking. Sundays can be an extremely busy day on a lot of routes.
But the service is still set up as if there are no shops open and people just go to mass and the pubs still close at half ten.

It's gas....here in Berlin the shops actually do close on Sundays and nobody even goes to mass, but the Sunday timetable is arguably better than the weekday timetable in Dublin :pac:

LXFlyer

I completely agree with the OP regarding the 4 timetable on a Sunday, as it certainly should be a minimum of a 30 minute frequency mornings and evenings, and every 20 minutes during the afternoon.

But I would ask, why didn't you get a 7 to O'Connell Street and transfer to a 9, 11 or 13 there?

I appreciate that would involve two fares, albeit with a LEAP90 discount.

LeinsterDub

lxflyer wrote: »

I completely agree with the OP regarding the 4 timetable on a Sunday, as it certainly should be a minimum of a 30 minute frequency mornings and evenings, and every 20 minutes during the afternoon.

But I would ask, why didn't you get a 7 to O'Connell Street and transfer to a 9, 11 or 13 there?

I appreciate that would involve two fares, albeit with a LEAP90 discount.

40 odd minutes for the 7 .

Dravokivich

I rarely wait around for a bus by there. I generally just do the walk back into town.

thomasj

lxflyer wrote: »

I completely agree with the OP regarding the 4 timetable on a Sunday, as it certainly should be a minimum of a 30 minute frequency mornings and evenings, and every 20 minutes during the afternoon.

But I would ask, why didn't you get a 7 to O'Connell Street and transfer to a 9, 11 or 13 there?

I appreciate that would involve two fares, albeit with a LEAP90 discount.

the problem here is that Dublin Bus promise that services would be spread out on main corridors, giving a balanced decent frequency of buses along the corridor never materialised.

Like i said before a 30 minute wait at my stop last night, followed by a 39 and 39a coming together with a 30 minute wait for the next bus after that is redicilous.

This is the same along numerous corridors including Rock Road. A couple of weeks ago there was a gap of 45 minutes on a sunday followed by a 4 and 7 coming together. Its redicilous that its wasting resources because 2 buses come together and its driving people away when you see gaps like that.

Its making the service look a lot worse than it is.

murphaph

Dravokivich wrote: »

I rarely wait around for a bus by there. I generally just do the walk back into town.

Shouldn't have to though. If Dublin is to be systematically starved of proper rail infrastructure, the least the rural dominated Dail can do is ensure Dublin has a tip-top bus service, but even that is too much to ask.

trellheim

37/39/39a/70 service on the inner segments from Navan Rd to stoneybatter is very hit and miss , very four at a time and then nothing for 20 mins, especially in the evenings

LXFlyer

trellheim wrote: »

37/39/39a/70 service on the inner segments from Navan Rd to stoneybatter is very hit and miss , very four at a time and then nothing for 20 mins, especially in the evenings

Where bus routes take different routes or are of different length it is very difficult to co-ordinate them all along the route without holding buses at specific locations.

The 39 and 39a, for example, take different routes between Ongar and Hartstown and between the Blanchardstown Centre and the Navan Road which means they are inevitably going to be out of sync for some part of the route.

thomasj

lxflyer wrote:

The 39 and 39a, for example, take different routes between Ongar and Hartstown and between the Blanchardstown Centre and the Navan Road which means they are inevitably going to be out of sync for some part of the route.

Sunday evening inbound in hartstown there was about a 30 minute wait followed by the 39 and 39a come together then another 30 minute wait. They are the only 2 city routes in the area.

LXFlyer

thomasj wrote: »

Sunday evening inbound in hartstown there was about a 30 minute wait followed by the 39 and 39a come together then another 30 minute wait. They are the only 2 city routes in the area.

Yes but then they are not together for the rest of the route because the 39a will be at least 10 minutes ahead of the 39 all the way into town from the M50.

There's going to have to be a trade off somewhere. I'm guessing DB felt it better to have the buses apart for the majority of the route. Short of holding one of them somewhere for 15 minutes if they departed Ongar 15 mins apart, this problem will raise its head from the M50 all the way into town.

With different bus routes taking alternative routes that are of a differing length time wise, you are always going to have this problem.

Don't get me wrong. You have a fair point, but integrating bus routes that take completely different routes and which are of a different length becomes very tricky.

It's nowhere near as straightforward as some people seem to think.

tabbey

The route 4 bus had been a very useful service until the last year or so.
First the frequency was reduced from every 10 minutes to 15 minutes, weekdays, and 30 minutes on Saturday.
Most of 2015, the service was severely disrupted by the DLR Co Co roadworks, remodelling the Blackrock bypass. Since the works ended, Dublin Bus had the opportunity to re-establish public confidence in the service, and thus improve ridership and revenue. Regrettably, the company, or it's staff, are now sabotaging the route. A week or two ago, I was at the Monkstown Avenue terminus about 0950, I knew I had missed the 0945, but anticipated a 1000 departure, in vain. Similarly the 1015. Two buses arrived from Harristown, and after short while went out of service. The next bus departed 1029, whether it was the 1030, or a late running 1015, I do not know. The driver was a pleasant gentleman, but had to endure lots of complaints from numerous passengers. I know if I had this extra hassle, my driving would be affected, bus drivers should not be put in this hazardous position.

Similarly the buses on the Navan Road, like the 4 and 7 on the Rock Road. Last week I was approaching the Navan Road, near the Garda station, and in the space of 100 yards, I saw four buses heading to town, resulting in a long wait for another convoy of buses.

Give the people a reliable public transport service and they will use it, reducing private traffic, resulting in better flow, shorter journey times, and more revenue for the CIE companies. Everybody wins. Continue with mediocre service - everybody loses.

dublinman1990

LeinsterDub wrote: »

40 odd minutes for the 7 .

On your way home. You could have another option to walk down via Ballsbridge College to get a DART at Lansdowne Road, get off at either Pearse Station to get the 11 on Westland Row or stay on it until you got off at Tara Street to get your bus home from O'Connell Street.

But there is an known logistical issue that if the match was a full house at the RDS than a very high number of Leinster & opposing fans would have gone to/from the match via the DART. Depending on the crowds that were going to the game that would mean a large number of fans will be waiting for a half hourly interval for the DART in either direction with very limited space on the platform.

You're saying that the bus would need to be there to act as a compliment to the DART at regular periods on match days or at all times of the year. Right.

trellheim

You're saying that the bus would need to be there to act as a compliment to the DART at regular periods on match days

And what is wrong with matching service to demand or is the supposed irony too much here ?