Help .... throat is killing me

jamesbondings

So my amazing girlfriend went to vapefest today for me!

She picked me up a subox mini kit. Ive been excited for vapefest for the last 9 months, so when I arrived home from work today to the sight of a full kit I was delighted.

Problem is I can't seem to work it. Or vape it for that matter. Someone help me out.

Have the stock coil in it. Just can't get my throat around it

moleyv

Are you using it direct to lung or mouth to lung?

moleyv

Also it is best to only use 0mg/3mg/6mg liquid as anything stronger will really give you a hit

jamesbondings

I'm trying both mouth to lung and direct lung hits...... Also only using a 6 mg nic juice.

I end up in convulsions coughing

moleyv

And you have used sub ohm tanks before and the liquid you are using?

jamesbondings

No I haven't! Was on the ego type e cig for the last 10 months..... NOT sure on the juice tbh

moleyv

Some liquid has a harsher throat hit than others, could be the culprit, you could try something else.

Also I'd probably say if you are using the 0.5 coil, to use it direct to lung.

Drop the wattage to like 20 or so, try it with the different air flows, the biggest will be the airiest and easier on the throat, but only direct to lung.

If you are doing mouth to lung I'd say you shouldn't use the 0.5 coil, and use the tightest air flow.

Stheno

What is mouth to lung versus direct to lung?

moleyv

Mouth to lung is like smoking, you suck on the drip tip, then open mouth and bring the smoke/vapour down to your lungs.

Direct to lung involves taking it in in one go, like taking a breath. So you seal lips around the drip tip, and 'breath' in.

Coils less than 1.0 ohm, called sub ohm produce a lot more vapour, and is easier to use direct to lung, if used mouth to lung you typically end up on your back coughing.

And the reason for using lower strength liquid when using sub ohm, is that it burns up more liquid creating more vapour, which is a larger volume of nicotine, and can be overwhelming.

jamesbondings

Ok the juice I'm using is emporium vapour apple pie and custard 6mg, it doesn't say what vg/pg ratio it is though.

I want to be able to vape it and not have to go back to my ego.

Should I take the .5 ohm coil out? I also have a new pack of 1.2 ohm coils plus whatever came in my subox box.

handlemaster

Why dont you just stop altogether?

jamesbondings

handlemaster wrote: »

Why dont you just stop altogether?

Why don't you go and troll another thread.

corsav6

jamesbondings wrote: »

Ok the juice I'm using is emporium vapour apple pie and custard 6mg, it doesn't say what vg/pg ratio it is though.

I want to be able to vape it and not have to go back to my ego.

Should I take the .5 ohm coil out? I also have a new pack of 1.2 ohm coils plus whatever came in my subox box.

Put the 1.5 ohm coil in and change the mouthpiece to a smaller one.
I just got the subox myself and the .5 coil wrecked my throat because of the high pg juice.
I built a 1.2 ohm coil in the rba and vaping on liqueen apple mint at 13w, the clouds would rival a lot of sub ohm builds.

jamesbondings

Ok I may have figured it out.......I have been trying to do a direct lung hit, but when I inhaled I stopped to hold it in for a second. Cue the coughing. But if I inhale and exhale normally ...all good, yeah it gets a bit tough but I can do it.

I don't have any smaller mouthpieces? Just went through the box there.
I

corsav6

jamesbondings wrote: »

Ok I may have figured it out.......I have been trying to do a direct lung hit, but when I inhaled I stopped to hold it in for a second. Cue the coughing. But if I inhale and exhale normally ...all good, yeah it gets a bit tough but I can do it.

I don't have any smaller mouthpieces? Just went through the box there.
I

I got the smaller mouthpiece from my aerotank and it fits snugly.
Try the rba, its great to build your own coils and a really simple job too.

Penny Tration

Do you use 6mg liquid with your ego normally?

If you do, you shouldn't sub ohm a 6mg, you should sub a 3 or 0.

JH_raheny

High pg liquid can be harsh on the throat

jamesbondings

Penny Tration wrote: »

Do you use 6mg liquid with your ego normally?

If you do, you shouldn't sub ohm a 6mg, you should sub a 3 or 0.

No I usually vape an 18 or 24mg, she picked me up a bottle of 6mg emporium vapour apple pie and custard but it doesn't have vg/pg ratio on the labels either on the bottle or the packaging it came with.

So I'm currently vaping that at 30w on a .5 coil and it is very tasty. I'm getting big enough clouds (which I could care less about if I'm honest, but can see it being an issue when the novelty has wore off.) but what I am noticing is 1)battery life is poor (I will admit I haven't fully charged it as of yet but this morning I had 3 out of 4 bars on it, now I only have 1) and 2) I'm flying through juice. I think the subtank itself is close to 4ml and I have nearly gone through a full tank in less than 5 or 6 hours use.

On my ego I would go through 4 ml in maybe a day a day and a half.

Essentially I'm just asking is it all normal and am I doing it right?

Ps: I will eventually get to work on the rta side of it but for now I just want to get used to it. I'll also have to get used to different ohmed rdas and the likes.

I will admit its a nice chunky piece of kit too. Its already been banged off a wall by accident and it hasn't even scratched. Delighted with it. Mrs Jamesbondings did GOOD

Penny Tration

Sounds about right tbh.

You piss through liquid because you're heating it at about 5 times the heat of an ego battery, so you go through bottles much quicker. Battery also dies quickly, again because you're using much more power

jamesbondings

Just realised it can be turned on and off, does it waste battery having it on standby? I wouldn't imagine so but said id ask.

Now I see why there is so much choice in juices. On the ego I could vape anything. But even some of the juice I usually vape on the ego I can't with this.

A big door has been opened, and now my eyes are beginning to as well!

RIchieNouveau

I'd suspect a high PG content in your liquid. I don't like anything under 60%VG for sub ohming.

And no, I don't think leaving it on uses battery. I only really turn off overnight of when it's in a bag where it might have the button accidentally pressed.

DatTingDere

Can't believe nobody asked this yet.

You're not by any chance vaping at like 60watts or something? You could be inhaling burnt cotton.

jamesbondings

I think it may just have been me having to get used to the extra power and vapour that was being created as it seems fine now! Cheers for all your help lads and lassies..... Was and still am vaping at 30 w.... Lucky she picked this one up as I had asked for a 30w istick she got the 50w subox

DatTingDere

jamesbondings wrote: »

I think it may just have been me having to get used to the extra power and vapour

Just because it says 50w, doesn't mean you have to vape at 50w.

Turn it down to 5 watts, then work your way up to a level you're comfortable with. (the maximum I go to is 10 watts).

It seems like you were vaping at a wattage level that was way too high.

Two pages of suggestions here and nobody thought to tell you to turn down the wattage. Ridiculous.

moleyv

DatTingDere wrote:

Turn it down to 5 watts, then work your way up to a level you're comfortable with. (the maximum I go to is 10 watts).

DatTingDere wrote:

Two pages of suggestions here and nobody thought to tell you to turn down the wattage. Ridiculous.

I mentioned to start low (20w) and work up. Also the lowest it goes is 7W........ And you'd get more off a fly's fart at that strength on a sub ohm tank. You actually wouldn't be putting in enough power to turn the liquid to vapour. The 0.5 vertical coil has a manufacturers guide of 15-60w. The thicker the juice, the more power required.

..... So your advice is..... Ridiculous.

30-40w is the sweetspot for me with the stock coils. I adjust wattage and airflow depending on the liquid.

glicster

DatTingDere wrote: »

Two pages of suggestions here and nobody thought to tell you to turn down the wattage. Ridiculous.

Nice one. And only your second post here.

If posters here dont have the same level of intelligence as you I for one would prefer if you went condecend somewhere else.

Penny Tration

DatTingDere wrote: »

Just because it says 50w, doesn't mean you have to vape at 50w.

Turn it down to 5 watts, then work your way up to a level you're comfortable with. (the maximum I go to is 10 watts).

It seems like you were vaping at a wattage level that was way too high.

Two pages of suggestions here and nobody thought to tell you to turn down the wattage. Ridiculous.

Subox doesn't fire at 5w firstly. it's for sub ohm vaping.

Low resistance coils, like the 0.5 the op is using, will not work properly at 5-15w. Low resistance coils are made to be used with high wattage - 30w is about standard for a 0.5 coil.

Using it at 5-10w like you're suggesting will only end up flooding the tank.

If you're going to come here to insult people by saying we're ridiculous, at least try to read up on low resistance coils and their correlating wattage instead of giving bad advice.

Didihno

Here's the thing, you just went from a bicycle to a ferrari.
What 'dattingdere' said above was vaild, if rudely put.

You need to walk before you run mate.
And my advice is this:
Take that 0.5ohm coil head out (just rinse if off and put it in the box), and put in the 1.2ohm one you should have got in the box (it will be written on the side of the coil head.
That will allow you to vape at around 8-15w, start of low and gradually increase until you find the right balance of flavour/heat/vapour for you. Also adjust the airflow setting (the bottom of the tank there, with the holes) spin it around and find the airflow you prefer, there's several different settings. Find the one you like. Using this coil head will give you twice the battery life on average, and twice the longevity in juice, again roughly speaking.

With the coil heads you absolutely MUST presoak them aka 'priming' them.
If you don't wet the wicks, you will instantly burn the cotton.
I usually put a couple of drops on the little wick holes, let in soak in, do the other side, let it soak in, repeat until it doesn't soak in anymore.

After a couple of weeks using the 1.2ohm coil, you can think about moving to the .5ohm one, its got a lower resistance for a reason, you can use much more power to drive it = more flavour/vapour/heat. It will also as you found out, drink juice and battery life. Or you can buy more 1.2's.
One final thing, please ignore any comments telling you to use the rebuildable coil head, I'm 100% certain that you are months away from being ready to do that.

A final note on maintenance.
The Kanger Subtank range is prone to moisture build up and occasionally leaking (usually its moisture and not actual juice).
Regular cleaning will help control this, and of course hygene is important.
Simply rinse the tank section, mouth peice (sometimes called a drip tip) and base (without coil head) in hot water every now and then (I do it every other tankful). Cotton buds on sticks are your friend, great for getting down the pipe/chimney and into that base section. Rinse, shake off water, cotton buds, reassemble and refill.

Just take it handy and give yourself time to learn, and above all enjoy your vaping.

corsav6

Didihno wrote: »

One final thing, please ignore any comments telling you to use the rebuildable coil head, I'm 100% certain that you are months away from being ready to do that.

I disagree, its a very easy thing to do and extremely rewarding. A few YouTube vids and your well on the way to wrapping excellent coils.

Quick note: 28ga(.32mm) kanthal wrapped 6 times around a 2mm screwdriver gives about 1.2ohm. The RDA gives bigger clouds at the same resistance because theres far more room for wicking material, organic cotton.

Dr Bill

jamesbondings wrote: »

So my amazing girlfriend went to vapefest today for me!

She picked me up a subox mini kit. Ive been excited for vapefest for the last 9 months, so when I arrived home from work today to the sight of a full kit I was delighted.

Problem is I can't seem to work it. Or vape it for that matter. Someone help me out.

Have the stock coil in it. Just can't get my throat around it

I also had a similar experience with stock Kanger coils in the Subtank,very harsh on the throat,the difference in a 0.5 in the rba and the stock 0.5 is like chalk and cheese,much smoother vape from the rba and is probably the easiest rba to build on that's out there and well worth a shot,once you do one build you'll never look back.
A high VG juice and a low nic juice is better to use in subohm tanks,smoother vape and not as hard on the throat.
As for the comment about inhaling burnt cotton :eek: well it may happen to you once but it's not something you will make a habit off as it leaves a very distinct and memorable taste and one you will try to avoid.

Didihno

corsav6 wrote: »

I disagree, its a very easy thing to do and extremely rewarding. A few YouTube vids and your well on the way to wrapping excellent coils.

Yes its easy to do, most of us more experienced users can wrap a coil in seconds, but we must be responsible about encouraging new vapers to do things that are actually advanced.
Better to let them learn about ohms law, battery safety etc and understand the devices they are using before reccommending someone to build a coil of potentially low resistance or use a battery which may not be suitable.

Walk before you run.

The_Pretender

Hi guys, I'm having a similar problem to the OP in that my throat has started to hurt lately. I haven't got much experience with different juices so I thought I'd post here for some advice.

I'm using an iStick at the minute after coming from a Kanger. The only juice I have and have used in the iStick is Bianca's Bliss, a Moms & Pops juice. The juice is 10mg in strength and I'm only vaping at 5.5w and even that has started to hurt my throat and chest and leave me coughing for a while after. I imagine it's the juice itself that's the problem, but I can't find anything like the PG/VG so could it be an allergy or could I be particularly sensitive to one of the chemicals in this juice?

Thanks for any advice, I'm hoping to order a new juice right away once I know what to look out for.

8mm

I used to find vaping a single flavour for more then a few days would leave my mouth feeling a little sore and I wouldn't get much taste either. I keep around 3+ flavours in different tanks going on rotation throughout the day and also rotate through my stock so new flavours are coming into my daily rotation.

One of the flavours I use is a DIY menthol at just the right strength so as not to be too menthol-y, clears and freshens the throat and taste buds. I'd get a menthol flavour at around 6mg nic and see how you get on.

corsav6

Didihno wrote: »

Yes its easy to do, most of us more experienced users can wrap a coil in seconds, but we must be responsible about encouraging new vapers to do things that are actually advanced.
Better to let them learn about ohms law, battery safety etc and understand the devices they are using before reccommending someone to build a coil of potentially low resistance or use a battery which may not be suitable.

Walk before you run.

I agree that we all should educate ourselves on safety before going sub ohm, but a bit of practice on the subtank rba with a regulated mod is a great start to building.
A few YouTube vids and start wrapping coils above 1 ohm and it will build confidence for the next step while also producing a more satisfying vape.