Vw passat vibrations

whacker1982

hi all, ive somewhat of an issue here, the clutch went in my diesel passat 2002 so i took it to my mechanic and when i got it back with a new clutch and flywheel there was vibrations coming from the engine up though the car,
then i took it back to the mechanic and he had another look at it and said that he rang the vw garage and they said since its an old car the fuel injection was getting blocked causing the vibrations. he recommended a cleaning fluid that goes into fuel tank after a fill and it could fix the issue. any idea if im been told a load of lies or is this achually the problem.
just though of it as a bit of a coincidence that it went into him with no vibrations and came out vibrating. any help on this matter greatly appreciated.

BorneTobyWilde

Sounds like a bull in my opinion.
Is vibration through
the clutch pedal?

Bigcheeze

Vibrations all the time or just when clutch pedal is in use?

Johnspar

whacker1982 wrote: »

hi all, ive somewhat of an issue here, the clutch went in my diesel passat 2002 so i took it to my mechanic and when i got it back with a new clutch and flywheel there was vibrations coming from the engine up though the car,
then i took it back to the mechanic and he had another look at it and said that he rang the vw garage and they said since its an old car the fuel injection was getting blocked causing the vibrations. he recommended a cleaning fluid that goes into fuel tank after a fill and it could fix the issue. any idea if im been told a load of lies or is this achually the problem.
just though of it as a bit of a coincidence that it went into him with no vibrations and came out vibrating. any help on this matter greatly appreciated.

Not a mechanic myself by any means but I have a similar problem with my 06 VW Passat. I was told the vibrations are due to solid fly wheel being used as opposed to a dual action one?! Open to correction though

BorneTobyWilde

Gearbox mount worth looking at.

BorneTobyWilde

Johnspar wrote: »

Not a mechanic myself by any means but I have a similar problem with my 06 VW Passat. I was told the vibrations are due to solid fly wheel being used as opposed to a dual action one?! Open to correction though

Would that be a cheaper option to fit that one?

Johnspar

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would that be a cheaper option to fit that one?

Not sure! It was a year ago when I had it done and as far as I can remember I was told it was a safer option as if the dual action fly wheel goes it can cause damage whilst the solid one won't

whacker1982

Hard to tell but it dose seem to be coming up through the engine, I forgot to add if you touch the accelerator while at idle just a touch the vibrations goes. But if I do over 60mph it comes back feels then like it's coming up from the wheels. It doesn't feel right at all

whacker1982

When the clutch is pressed makes no difference vibrations still there. My dual fly wheel has ceased up completely. Then got replaced

9935452

whacker1982 wrote: »

hi all, ive somewhat of an issue here, the clutch went in my diesel passat 2002 so i took it to my mechanic and when i got it back with a new clutch and flywheel there was vibrations coming from the engine up though the car,
then i took it back to the mechanic and he had another look at it and said that he rang the vw garage and they said since its an old car the fuel injection was getting blocked causing the vibrations. he recommended a cleaning fluid that goes into fuel tank after a fill and it could fix the issue. any idea if im been told a load of lies or is this achually the problem.
just though of it as a bit of a coincidence that it went into him with no vibrations and came out vibrating. any help on this matter greatly appreciated.

When you say the clutch went. What exactly do you mean. Wasit tbe flywheel banging or vibrating or did the clutch start to slip or you couldnt get a gear.
Did you see the old flywheel.
If it was the clutch alone slipping. There might be a possibility the flywheel was never changed and he charged you for it.

whacker1982

9935452 wrote: »

When you say the clutch went. What exactly do you mean. Wasit tbe flywheel banging or vibrating or did the clutch start to slip or you couldnt get a gear.
Did you see the old flywheel.
If it was the clutch alone slipping. There might be a possibility the flywheel was never changed and he charged you for it.

It was the clutch started to slip, he mentioned that the flywheel could be gone too but there was no way of knowing till it was all taken apart, no banging from the fly wheel when the clutch was slipping. He had the old fly wheel on the ground when I called to collect the car. Bear in mind that's the first time I've seen a flywheel.

dooroy

Did he tell you whether he used a Dual Mass Flywheel again or a solid one ?
If it was a solid one this is most likely the cause of your problem.
I know of a few cases where the solid flywheel worked perfectly and others where it caused vibration.
Personally I would always replace like with like - and the DMF's can do very respectable mileages without problems.

whacker1982

dooroy wrote: »

Did he tell you whether he used a Dual Mass Flywheel again or a solid one ?
If it was a solid one this is most likely the cause of your problem.
I know of a few cases where the solid flywheel worked perfectly and others where it caused vibration.
Personally I would always replace like with like - and the DMF's can do very respectable mileages without problems.

He never said. The price should tell us. For the clutch and fly wheel + back brakes and reconditioned starter was €1200 would this seem about right for a solid flywheel or dmfw. Plus this fluid he said to clean the injectors was this a load of bull the fob me off?

dooroy

Do all my own work so not too well up on prices .
Can you just ask straight up ?

The Sidewards Man

whacker1982 wrote: »

He never said. The price should tell us. For the clutch and fly wheel + back brakes and reconditioned starter was €1200 would this seem about right for a solid flywheel or dmfw. Plus this fluid he said to clean the injectors was this a load of bull the fob me off?

You spend more than the value of your car on your car

whacker1982

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

You spend more than the value of your car on your car

Give me a break. I'm asking dose this sound right for which fly wheel. Keep on the topic please

Nekarsulm

Your price of 1200 € is about right for a new Dual Mass flywheel and clutch fitted. But that doesn't prove that the parts were actually fitted. A solid flywheel comes in (I think) about 350 euro less. They are not recommended for the 130 bhp models, especially if you like to "drive her on"

If there was no vibration present before the clutch fitted, it would seem strange that the fuel injection would suddenly start to act up.

whacker1982

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Your price of 1200 € is about right for a new Dual Mass flywheel and clutch fitted. But that doesn't prove that the parts were actually fitted. A solid flywheel comes in (I think) about 350 euro less. They are not recommended for the 130 bhp models, especially if you like to "drive her on"

If there was no vibration present before the clutch fitted, it would seem strange that the fuel injection would suddenly start to act up.

I'll give him a call tomorrow and ask him Wat he put into it, and see what he says

9935452

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Your price of 1200 € is about right for a new Dual Mass flywheel and clutch fitted. But that doesn't prove that the parts were actually fitted. A solid flywheel comes in (I think) about 350 euro less. They are not recommended for the 130 bhp models, especially if you like to "drive her on"

If there was no vibration present before the clutch fitted, it would seem strange that the fuel injection would suddenly start to act up.

The 1200 included back brakes and a reconditioned starter.
i think you figures are out a bit.
without knowing the exact model of car ,the clutch kit/dual mass flywheel cost 450/500, go for a solid one and it costs around 100/150 quid cheaper.
The other big cost here is labour.

whacker1982

9935452 wrote: »

The 1200 included back brakes and a reconditioned starter.
i think you figures are out a bit.
without knowing the exact model of car ,the clutch kit/dual mass flywheel cost 450/500, go for a solid one and it costs around 100/150 quid cheaper.
The other big cost here is labour.

He said the cost of the clutch labour and breaks and other bits were €700 then he rang the next day to say the flywheel was gone and added an extra €500 for the flywheel. It's the 130bhp red DI model as mentioned in first post

9935452

whacker1982 wrote: »

He said the cost of the clutch labour and breaks and other bits were €700 then he rang the next day to say the flywheel was gone and added an extra €500 for the flywheel. It's the 130bhp red DI model as mentioned in first post

Personally id say thats savage dear for a flywheel . id expect to get the whole kit for less than that.
Did he put it all back together and find he had vibrations and then say he would change the flywheel as well?
Its amazing how it goes in with no vibrations and comes out with a new flywheel and is vibrating
Another thing is its more or less standard practice to change the flywheel when changing the clutch regardless of if its gone or not due to the labour element

AFAIK the genuine ones are luk or sachs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-PASSAT-AUDI-A4-A6-1-9-TDI-AWX-130HP-GENUINE-LUK-DUAL-MASS-FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH-KIT-/161394922302?hash=item2593e3133e:g:qzwAAOSwnDZT7dRD
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-A4-A6-PASSAT-1-9TDi-SKODA-130BHP-115BHP-SACHS-DUAL-MASS-FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH-KIT-/271985987738?hash=item3f53a0d09a:g:BWAAAOSwQTVV9tI4
Both are for clutch kits
They are the first ones in the list. If i can source them for that price then you can be sure a garage is getting them for less as they get a trade discount

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-PASSAT-1-9TDi-LUK-Dual-Mass-Flywheel-130-11-2000-05-2005-AWX-Estate-/371317639788?hash=item5674418a6c:g:mjEAAOSwkNZUdHeq
flywheel alone

whacker1982

That's them he showed me the box and said that they are the best of the best. Can't get over the price of them he said the flywheel comes in at €500 alone. You'll get the whole kit for that.
He said when he stripped it he saw that the flywheel was gone on it. It took him till the next morning to have t flywheel to be delivered. And he rang at 3:30 to let me know this, I remember cause that's the time I finished work. It was ready around 5 the next day. Dunno has this info any reverence.
I'm sickened here.
There was a noise coming from the drivers wheel. It sounds like it's coming from behind the wheel. Came out of his garage like this, went in with no noise. It sounds like a piece of tin knocking. Said he would fix that too, never bothered still knocking away. Again properly no reverence. Just really pissed off with this position I'm in

blackbox

whacker1982 wrote: »

Hard to tell but it dose seem to be coming up through the engine, I forgot to add if you touch the accelerator while at idle just a touch the vibrations goes. But if I do over 60mph it comes back feels then like it's coming up from the wheels. It doesn't feel right at all

The vibration from the wheels might be completely unrelated. That sounds more like a wheel balance issue.

dooroy

" That sounds more like a wheel balance issue".
Wheel(s) out of balance usually causes a shake which can be felt through the steering wheel - doesn't usually cause a noise.
Noise could be caused by , for example , wheel touching some part of brake backplate , brake pads loose and rattling about etc., did you check the wheel nuts are tight ???
Is noise constant or does it change when brakes applied etc ?
Regarding the clutch, most would consider changing just disc and pressure plate as a bad idea. I know that there are tests for the DMF (how much it rotates etc)
but if it fails after a few months you have to do the whole job again - and there is quite a bit of work involved.
I changed the clutch in my brothers Golf a while back and was surprised that the price difference between solid and DMF has come down a lot. Saw clutch kits on DD at the time for around 400 ( this was a DMF kit).

whacker1982

When I hear it, it's not coming from the wheel or anywhere there but behind the inner Arche, hard to pin point it really.

dooroy

Is it there just with car idling but not moving ?
If it is then has nothing to do with wheels etc.
Have you listened with someone else driving the car forward ?
Could it be coming from the gearbox ?
These kinds of noises can be very hard to pin down unfortunately .

whacker1982

dooroy wrote: »

Is it there just with car idling but not moving ?
If it is then has nothing to do with wheels etc.
Have you listened with someone else driving the car forward ?
Could it be coming from the gearbox ?
These kinds of noises can be very hard to pin down unfortunately .

Loudest at idle