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Scoury cow....

  • 13-11-2015 9:18pm
    #1
    case5130
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭


    Have the cattle in about three weeks now (farm heavy land) dosed them when the went in all have solid dung apart from two , now it's not liquid bits it's softer than should be... one I'm not worried about but one that is getting thin from it . what's year thought where dosed at grass for fluke and worms and again when housed
    Any info be great help ...


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  • #2
    Kovu
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    Did you do them for rumen fluke?


  • #3
    case5130
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    Kovu wrote: »
    Did you do them for rumen fluke?

    Done them with endospec


  • #4
    Miname
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    i had a cow like that and spent way too long chasing a cure before i got her tested for johnes. the vet didnt want to even test her but i made him, turned out positive. im not saying it is but for peace of mind get it done and hopefully its not.


  • #5
    case5130
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    Miname wrote: »
    i had a cow like that and spent way too long chasing a cure before i got her tested for johnes. the vet didnt want to even test her but i made him, turned out positive. im not saying it is but for peace of mind get it done and hopefully its not.

    There heifers like with calfs at foot I bought them in 5 months ago . where perfect out side all bit soft when was housing but put it down to wet grass


  • #6
    Kovu
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    I wonder if they came from drier ground and so have no fluke resistance like homebred cattle? That was one of the reasons we try to avoid buying in, never have the same inbuilt resistance to parasites.


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  • #7
    case5130
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    Kovu wrote: »
    I wonder if they came from drier ground and so have no fluke resistance like homebred cattle? That was one of the reasons we try to avoid buying in, never have the same inbuilt resistance to parasites.

    I lno what you mean and intended to do such practices in the future but had to start the herd from new here this year so every thing was bought in ... It's second cut silage would that matter ...


  • #8
    whelan2
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    can test positive for johnes from 2 years on, dont think endospec does for rumen fluke zanil or levafas cover it


  • #9
    case5130
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    can test positive for johnes from 2 years on, dont think endospec does for rumen fluke zanil or levafas cover it

    Would I want to wait long before I dose again


  • #10
    Milked out
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    Could be the change in diet, what's dm of silage?. Perhaps talk to vet maybe a few sulpha powder sachets mightn't do any harm.


  • #11
    grassroot1
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    Get your vet to do a dung sample and ask for advice. I wonder if stomach fluke is as prevalent as its maintained in some newspaper articles.


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  • #12
    case5130
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    Milked out wrote: »
    Could be the change in diet, what's dm of silage?. Perhaps talk to vet maybe a few sulpha powder sachets mightn't do any harm.

    Didn test it cos have twenty second cut bales that I'm using first


  • #13
    greysides
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    Dosing three weeks ago with a dose only effective against 10-12 week fluke (Endospec is albendazole) is only going to tackle fluke that went into the animals before the beginning of August, most likely, damn all. You would need to use a more effective flukicide, see this thread. I'd worry about covering fluke properly before thinking about Stomach Fluke.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

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  • #14
    patsy_mccabe
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    Would liver fluke cause cattle to scour?


  • #15
    greysides
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Would liver fluke cause cattle to scour?

    Some people debate that point but I think practical experience says yes.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #16
    case5130
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    greysides wrote: »
    Dosing three weeks ago with a dose only effective against 10-12 week fluke (Endospec is albendazole) is only going to tackle fluke that went into the animals before the beginning of August, most likely, damn all. You would need to use a more effective flukicide, see this thread. I'd worry about covering

    fluke properly before thinking about Stomach Fluke.


    Will wait a few weeks and give them a stronger dose ...what would u say be best


  • #17
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Fasinex, without any waiting. It should rule out fluke as a cause.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #18
    cute geoge
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    I would rather u go in with levamas diamond or zanil , this will hit both stomach fluke and liver fluke.
    After wet year cousin lost 6 bought in cattle with stomach fluke , he had vet treating them and by the time dung samples came back they had died


  • #19
    case5130
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭case5130


    Would u not be worried about leaving time between doses


  • #20
    case5130
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    cute geoge wrote: »
    I would rather u go in with levamas diamond or zanil , this will hit both stomach fluke and liver fluke.
    After wet year cousin lost 6 bought in cattle with stomach fluke , he had vet treating them and by the time dung samples came back they had died

    Went with diamond on Sunday ... There getting a good clean out now ...must be hard on the stomach


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