Landsail tyres

innocent_lover

Hi, I am thinking to buy these http://www.oponeo.ie/details-tyre/landsail-ls388-205-55-r16-91-v#101237378 tyres, it has got good wet breaking distance & fuel consumption ratings. So is there anyone here who has used this particular tyre made by landsail.
It has got my attention due to its b, b and 68db ratings. Thx

Henry Ford III

Breaking?

CiniO

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Breaking?

Exactly as OP said.
They've got good breaking distance

Jesus.

Had a set of Landsails on last car. They're grand for what they are. You'll get everyone saying they're death traps etc but like most budget tyres if you drive easy they're fine but if you drive her on you might find them not up to scratch. I never had a single issue with them in four years.

Toyotafanboi

The very fact that you've gotten 4 years out of them should be a concern unless you are doing well below average mileage.

OP, that's not too great a deal, i actually bought 205/55/16's yesterday (i went part worn in the end to get a premium brand) but i could have gotten a Chinese tyre supplied and fitted anywhere for €50-60 a corner in that size.

so you're not really saving anything by buying that particular tyre online, when you consider waiting for shipping, lugging them around in a car and having to find a shop that will fit tyres they didn't supply. and more importantly a shop that will fit them for less than €10 each, otherwise you're definitely losing money. as it's a very common size virtually everywhere will have it in stock at good prices.

edit: not being snobby or trying to derail the thread, but i am a fairly conservative driver and the difference between budget rubber and a good brand name has been night and day on any of my own cars.

that said, B- fuel, B- wet and 69db does seem like a very strong performance from a budget tyre. however, the wet rating is for water dispersal not wet grip isn't it? what is their dry grip like? that isn't mentioned at all and in fairness 69db is in the same ballpark as most other tyres.

JBokeh

I've them on my runaround, cheap and cheerful really, I would keep getting them for the old banger i'd say, because all it does is 120km a day, and it probably will fall apart before the NCT, but if it was a good car that I'd be driving on a bit, and actually cared about i'd be going for something from Hankook or bridgestone

As said above they're not deathtraps, if you're driving in a way that makes them break traction constantly, it is your driving is the problem

Jesus.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

The very fact that you've gotten 4 years out of them should be a concern unless you are doing well below average mileage.

How long do you get out of a set mate?

hi5

What an awful name for a tyre, grips like a boat:eek:

Toyotafanboi

Jesus. wrote: »

How long do you get out of a set mate?

well, it's swings and roundabouts really.

i just took a set of ditchfinders off my car yesterday, they looked as good as the day i put them on 15,000 ago. so if they are retaining that much thread, they mustn't be very good at gripping the road.

ideally with a tyre, to represent wear, you need to quote a distance figure, not a timeframe as i could have a set of Landsails last me until the day i die, if i never drive the car.

Toyotafanboi

http://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/find-your-tyres/test-results/summer/cinturato_p7_blue_autobild_2014_06

this isn't the most unbiased source in the world but look at the results for that landsail tyre in every category, particularly wet braking.

Donnelly117

hi5 wrote: »

What an awful name for a tyre, grips like a boat:eek:

Was thinking the same, not the most reassuring name! Nearly as bad as triangle, they cant even get the right shape

BMJD

innocent_lover wrote: »

Hi, I am thinking to buy these http://www.oponeo.ie/details-tyre/landsail-ls388-205-55-r16-91-v#101237378 tyres, it has got good wet breaking distance & fuel consumption ratings. So is there anyone here who has used this particular tyre made by landsail.
It has got my attention due to its b, b and 68db ratings. Thx

The ratings are rubbish, for the sake of another €10-€15 per corner you will get a far better tyre such as Toyo, Nankang, Kumho, etc.

R.O.R

Drove a 115ps S-Max from Dublin to Cork last year, that had a brand new set of Landsails on the front, and they are now on our list of "DO NOT FIT" Tyres after that.

Weather was somewhat like it is today - wet and windy, and even with 6 adults in an underpowered S-Max, it was still spinning up in 2nd gear and I had absolutely no confidence the car would go in the direction I pointed it in, on the gentle curves of the M7/M8 in the wet.

Not as bad as Triangle's, but not a whole lot better, so I'd avoid completely.

innocent_lover

These tyres are for vw passat 105bhp. I thought tyres label are the only thing which i should check. So that's why i was looking for these landsails. Last time i got set of pirelli cinturato p7 from oponeo for €66 and paid €10, each for fitting and balancing. They had C, B, 70db labels. So i thought on the paper these landsail have better ratings, so they should be better than pirelli.

I don't want to take chance for the sake of €16. i will be going for pirelli agian because i am happy with their perfomance.
So having good eu labels like b, b and low noise shouldn't mean tyres will perform well. If not then EU should bring some other criterias to check tyres performance.

colm_mcm

The ratings are done by the manufacturers themselves AFAIK. Crazy as that sounds.

I have Pirelli p7's on the front of my car at the moment and they're quite good, I had Michelin Energys on it before which are now on the back. these felt a little better on the front of the car. Splitting hairs tbh.

Those landsails are a false economy. I've driven cars with them on and there's no way anyone who has ever driven a car with proper tyres can honestly say they're a good tyre.

Alun

The thing is though that the EU itself doesn't test them, they just define the standards, and it's up to the manufacturers or importers to perform the tests.

Toyotafanboi

Pirellis supplied and fitted for €76 a corner is much better value for money. you would struggle get them supplied and fitted locally for that kind of price.

walus

The problem with all the tyre tests is that they evaluate tyre performance on a newly fitted set. There are some Chinese makes that seem to do reasonably well in those evaluation. Wait however until they are half worn and they are lethal especially in wet. I cured myself out of the linglongs, dingdongs etc. years ago when I nearly rear ended a car that suddenly stopped in front of me. In my opinion they are false economy and dangerous in wet. Anything fron Hankook, Vredestein, Good Year or Dunlop although slightly more expensive to buy would give you far better handling and value for money.

biko

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Landsail/

innocent_lover

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Pirellis supplied and fitted for €76 a corner is much better value for money. you would struggle get them supplied and fitted locally for that kind of price.

Yeah i called discount tyres in Blanchardstown and they were looking for €105 for single tyre by goodyear. If i get it online i can get goodyear for €67+€10 fitting=76.

Noccy_Mondy

OP, don't even go near landsail. I had a set not long back, and they lasted me 7k miles. Now I do be doing a lot of harsh cornering, dips, bumps, harsh braking etc, but they were pure muck. I didn't realise the extent of how bad they were until I put a set of michelins on. They are glued to the road in comparison, completely hold the car going around hard corners, you can feel them gripping into the road. Compare that to them landails, many times did I get a little kick out the back with them. Tyres are one thing that you have to do proper.

Mycroft H

For only 12 euros more; a hankook.

http://www.oponeo.ie/details-tyre/hankook-kinergy-eco-k425-205-55-r16-91-h/101047138

Someone here yesterday, I'm pretty sure, had a quote for those fitted at 75 euro a corner. Good value for a decent tyre.

The Sidewards Man

I wouldn't put a landsail under a wheelbarrow.

chicorytip

Landsail Tyres have different ratings depending on which online retailer you're buying from. For example, a set of 185 /65/15 " summer car tyres advertised on Openeo has a wet grip rating of "C". An identical set, available from Camskill. u.k., is rated "E".

Titzon Toast

Tyres, teabags and shoes.
Three things you should never scrimp on.

The Sidewards Man

Your forgetting a matress also ^

Alun

innocent_lover wrote: »

Yeah i called discount tyres in Blanchardstown and they were looking for €105 for single tyre by goodyear. If i get it online i can get goodyear for €67+€10 fitting=76.

Are you 100% sure they're the exact same tyre, incl. load and speed rating? I've always found them pretty competitive.

fancy pigeon

Landsail? Landsh*te

All grand and dandy until they start to aquaplane/walk on water and you're into the central divider/ditch/local franchised feedbag with a bang. Praying to stop just won't work. It's too late

"B...b....but they are graaaand for most drivers Ted...." until that one time you need them, which sadly never happens to most. That casual slip on the roundabout, that spin out on the motorway, that lockup in a line of traffic.... All of which I see regularly.

But surely I'm talking through my arse to make a point, amn't I

You'd want to be thoroughly stupid to believe they are a good tyre. Thicker than a short plank. And even stupider to try pass them off to others that they are a good tyre.

I have no sympathy for those who have accidents caused by sh*t tyres. F*ck the loss to them and the sh*t they talk.

I have to admire the cult following Trangles have though. Both those whom use them and can vouch for them. Love it :cool:

My 2 cents of course. Condescending smiley

Jesus.

fancy pigeon wrote: »

I have no sympathy for those who have accidents caused by sh*t tyres. F*ck the loss to them and the sh*t they talk.

The thing is, I think most accidents are caused by driver error not cheap tyres. In fact I'd say that most people that get themselves into accidents by driving like a moron blame the rubber. In fact blame anything bar themselves. I've heard it countless times and all I can do is...................... :rolleyes:

Mycroft H

I'd say the problem is a combination of both there. Most people aren't aware how bad el cheapo tyres are. Bad tyres can be for sure a contributory problem.

Jesus.

Mycroft H wrote: »

I'd say the problem is a combination of both there. Most people aren't aware how bad el cheapo tyres are. Bad tyres can be for sure a contributory problem.

Personally I don't think so. I'd say its almost entirely down to driving style. You shouldn't drive hard with budget tyres but if you have a set, NCT approved etc and you just drive easy and attentive you will come to no more harm than if you had the best tyres money can buy. That's my experience of many years on the road myself and of observing others.

Just my opinion though

The Sidewards Man

Cheap tyres are like lidl condoms, know your limits.

visual

Jesus. wrote: »

Personally I don't think so. I'd say its almost entirely down to driving style. You shouldn't drive hard with budget tyres but if you have a set, NCT approved etc and you just drive easy and attentive you will come to no more harm than if you had the best tyres money can buy. That's my experience of many years on the road myself and of observing others.

Just my opinion though

yet you keep preaching it's driver fault the tyres didn't grip in wet.

Plastic tyres or only suitable for toys where they preform the function of being black and round

innocent_lover

I have decided to buy these donuts http://www.eiretyres.com/product/Falken/55/16/R-263597. Landsails not for me at least this time.

Jesus.

visual wrote: »

yet you keep preaching it's driver fault the tyres didn't grip in wet.

No I'm saying its the drivers fault he's not driving to the conditions - including the car & tyres he has - that are active. This includes the oft trotted out line of the child running out onto the road. Generally the people who get so het up about budget tyres have been driving or still drive in a manner that requires them to have the best brakes and tyres money can by in order to offset their lack of advance awareness, too much speed and possibly aggressiveness also (not in all cases but in a lot of them).

During the big snow a few years ago I slid off the road into a ditch. I was running on a set of Landsails as it happens. If I had a set of Premiums would I have avoided that? Possibly. But it still wasn't the tyres fault. I was going too fast for them. I knew I was and I know if I was going slower I would've been fine.

It'd be interesting to see how many of those who freak out over budget tyres have themselves been in accidents.

Jesus.

LIGHTNING wrote: »

If a better tyre had stopped you then that proves all our point perfectly. You had cheap tyres and you paid the price.

WHOOOSH!

CiniO

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Having the best tyres enables your to car to perform to the best of its ability every condition. If its raining you drive slower, brake earlier but you are still relying on the mechanical grip of your tyres. The grip coefficient of your tyres is the primary factor (along with suspension setup) of how your car behaves in poor conditions (since most road cars aren't going to be running any noticeable levels of downforce).

One of the most useful ways I use to explain this was in Forza motorsport had a really nice graphical indicator of how much "usable" grip the tyre had. The better a tyre the larger the area you had to use. Its all about margins for errors, a better tyre gives you a better margin. Due to the quite random nature of driving you want that.



Everything you do in your car is your fault but whats that got to do with anything? If a better tyre had stopped you then that proves all our point perfectly. You had cheap tyres and you paid the price.

I have seen cars do 360's and go off the road at very slow speeds. The driver wasn't speeding or acting like a clown. Your motto of "If you drive like a responsible driver then you don't need good tyres" is extremely dangerous.

As far as I am concerned this cheap tyre attitude is the anti-vaxxer movement of the motoring forum. Misguided information that can potential cause injuries.

While what you're saying is generally true, I think you are putting bit too much function on the tyres.

Say braking distance on certain wet surface on certain car from 100km/h would be 60 metres on best premium tyres.
In the same condition, this braking distance would increase to 90 metres on cheapest chineese rubbish ditchfinders.

But remember, that at 100km/h you are travelling nearly 30 metres every second.
So if your reaction time is worse just by one second, this compensates completely for difference between worst and best tyres.
In other words, person who is fully focused on driving and has perfect reaction time, would stop in the same distance as person being a bit tired and not so concentrated on the road on best premium tyres.

If person who is driving is aware of limited capabilites of his vehicle with sh1t tyres, and drives accordingly paying more attention, then there's hardly any increase in danger.

Besides in relation to Jesus skidding on the snow, even if he had the best premium summer tyres, it still woldn't make any difference, unless he actually had winter tyres.

visual

CiniO wrote: »

While what you're saying is generally true, I think you are putting bit too much function on the tyres.
.

You have also missed the point it's 4 patches of rubber making contact with the road. In the case of ditch finders there is less rubber and more plastic in those 4 contact points.

Doesn't matter what way you spin it if the tyre has poor grip it is dangerous. Promoting dangerous tyres to save 10 or 20 euro a corner is foolish.

The argument drive to conditions and ability can be quickly translated into if you have ditch finders stay off the road if it's wet.

Mycroft H

There are far more dangerous things on the road than a set of chineese tyres. Hysteria central this thread.

Jesus.

CiniO wrote: »

Besides in relation to Jesus skidding on the snow, even if he had the best premium summer tyres, it still woldn't make any difference

Cinio you made me laugh out loud :pac::pac::pac:

ianobrien

I said it before on another thread about tyres. I was driving a 1.6TDI Seat Leon hire car for a few days and it was on a set of ditchfinders, the brand I can't remember. In the dry, they were acceptable for normal driving, just a little loud.

The story changed when it rained. The traction control was kicking in when accelerating away (at reasonable rates) away from mini-roundabouts. Moderate heavy braking (the usual idiots lulling out in front of you) had the ABS kicking in. Driving an Octavia with the same tyre size on decent rubber (same basic running gear as the Leon) had none on the above in the wet. All I can say is God help me in the wet if I had to do an emergency stop (kid running onto the road for example) on the ditchfinders as the ABS kicking in massively increased the braking distance.

I've a basic rule when it comes to tyres. If you have to Google the name to see if its a tyre branm, an Asian electronics brand or if you serve it on a plate, they are not worth putting under a car.

Noccy_Mondy

It's quite simple, don't be a mean miserable tight cnut and buy proper tyres! There's nothing more to it.

*Kol*

visual wrote: »

Doesn't matter what way you spin it.

We see what you did there!!

*Kol*

I saw a Fifth Gear on the TV where they compared the wet braking distance of a premium brand Eco tyre against a budget brand tyre and the premium brand lost badly. The reason they gave was that the "Eco" tyre was designed to give less rolling resistance and therefore was not as good at wet braking as the less Eco friendly budget tyre with more rolling resistance.

Edit. The spelling in here is brutal. NM it's not cnut.

colm_mcm

I thought the premium ones won't this was tears and years ago?

*Kol*

colm_mcm wrote: »

I thought the premium ones won't this was tears and years ago?

In wet braking no. The best performers were part worns. . It was on Discovery so it could be ancient

Edit. Thanks for reinforcing my comment on spelling (auto correct most likely in your case)

Lol I just noticed I wrote part worms.

colm_mcm

There was one test where they tested continentals vs fuldas vs the cheapest part works they could find (possibly mud&snow)
Part worns came out worst in that one alright.

That was on an old VW polo.

I remember a test they did with a scenic though. I think that's the one you're thinking of.

*Kol*

colm_mcm wrote: »

There was one test where they tested continentals vs fuldas vs the cheapest part works they could find (possibly mud&snow)
Part worns came out worst in that one alright.

That was on an old VW polo.

I remember a test they did with a scenic though. I think that's the one you're thinking of.

Maybe That's the one I saw last night. Some of part worns were winter tyres. Yes it was a scenic.

It must have been a 2012 programme as the 2.0 Focus ST was just out