Which Canyon

johnjohn3423

Looking to buy a bike and have almost fixed on the Canyon Endurace CF 9.0 at €2099, is there any point in me going for the Ultimate CF SL 9.0 at €2199?

Some background. I don't race just take part in sportives and do the etape in France. I cycle about 5,000km a year with 50km vertical climbing in that.

The company my company uses for the bike to work scheme dosnt deal with Canyon so I would miss out on that. I have gone around to the local bike shops and they dont seem to have anything of comparable value to the Canyons.
Is there any bike that would be the same spec as the Endurace CF 9.0 that I could get through the bike to work scheme or will it work out the same price as getting the Canyon?
If I don't get a bike through the bike to work scheme I would try and get a power meter with that. Don't know if its allowed though.

cython

johnjohn3423 wrote: »

Looking to buy a bike and have almost fixed on the Canyon Endurace CF 9.0 at €2099, is there any point in me going for the Ultimate CF SL 9.0 at €2199?

Some background. I don't race just take part in sportives and do the etape in France. I cycle about 5,000km a year with 50km vertical climbing in that.

The company my company uses for the bike to work scheme dosnt deal with Canyon so I would miss out on that. I have gone around to the local bike shops and they dont seem to have anything of comparable value to the Canyons.
Is there any bike that would be the same spec as the Endurace CF 9.0 that I could get through the bike to work scheme or will it work out the same price as getting the Canyon?
If I don't get a bike through the bike to work scheme I would try and get a power meter with that. Don't know if its allowed though.

It's not allowed.

I found myself in the same situation, albeit on a lower budget, and went for the Endurace with 105 and DT Swiss wheels a few months back. One consideration if you're between the Ultimate and the Endurace; the former comes with a 52/36 chainset while the latter has a 50/34 - you'll need a larger cassette on the back with the Ultimate to get the same gear range if that's a concern.

I'm happy with the Endurace, but I wanted a more relaxed geometry, and have found the slightly larger tyres (25c with wider than average rims) helpful in their damping on some roads compared to my alu now-winter-bike/commuter. That being said it's no slouch and I was able to hang in with a group at 35km/h average on a 90km sportive a while back on it, so it's no slouch either.

Statler

Without checking the specs for either bike, I'd say go for the Ultimate CF, I'm assuming the specs are better, granted the Endurance has more comfortable geometry but I'd imagine it's not anything that can't be sorted out with a proper bike fit on the CF. Or, be honest with yourself and go for the one you really want, (you already know which one this is, and I suspect it's the Ultimate CF!).

If you're not racing don't bother with a power meter, unless you like meaningless number crunching (and nothing wrong with that if you do), save your money and spend it on a nice wheelset, you'll probably get more benefit out of it.

Sinbad_NI

I went for the endurance with Ultegra for more comfort on the 3+ hr rides
Like it a lot

furiousox

Very hard to know which one is right for you without bringing both bikes for a test ride.
I was all set to buy a CF SL and then they released the Endurance and my head was turned.
I went with the CF in the end as I reckoned it would be the more engaging ride of the two.
I think you'll always want the bike that thrills you rather than the bike that is refined and comfortable.
If you're concerned about comfort, the CF is an almost pro level frame and is not uncomfortable especially with the vcls 2.0 seatpost.

This might help you make up your mind, (it did for me)

http://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/canyon-ultimate-cf-sl-9-0-sl-review.html#d7i5sASighTF3Grw.97

johnjohn3423

Thanks for all the responses.

To complicate the situation here I dropped into a LBS and they have a second hand 2014 Focus Cayo with Ultegra for sale, the bike looks in very good condition for about €1800. Its a nice looking bike but how would this compare to the Canton Ultimate CF SL 9.0 at €2199?

dakar

johnjohn3423 wrote: »

Thanks for all the responses.

To complicate the situation here I dropped into a LBS and they have a second hand 2014 Focus Cayo with Ultegra for sale, the bike looks in very good condition for about €1800. Its a nice looking bike but how would this compare to the Canton Ultimate CF SL 9.0 at €2199?

If the size is right, you could have a non-second hand Cayo with Ultegra Di2 (10 speed, so not the latest generation) for your €1,800:
http://www.bunnyhop.de/de/fahrraeder/rennrad/comfort/focus-cayo-ltd-carbon-di2-2015-20163?action_ms=1

johnjohn3423

dakar wrote: »

If the size is right, you could have a non-second hand Cayo with Ultegra Di2 (10 speed, so not the latest generation) for your €1,800:
http://www.bunnyhop.de/de/fahrraeder/rennrad/comfort/focus-cayo-ltd-carbon-di2-2015-20163?action_ms=1

Thanks for that, it looks like the second hand Cayo I have seen isn't such a great offer so. I must look at it again to see what the spec of it.

devonp

get the new Canyon/Sram team bike:
The team will ride Canyon Ultimate CF SLX bikes and SRAM’s wireless eTap drivetrain:cool:


http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/canyonsram-pro-womens-team-adds-rapha-in-3-year-deal_389567

Unknown Soldier

What is your current bike and what is the gearing on it? I would have said the Endurace would have been the better choice but you mentioned a power meter too!

johnjohn3423

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

What is your current bike and what is the gearing on it? I would have said the Endurace would have been the better choice but you mentioned a power meter too!

Ive an aluminium bike that's near enough ten years old, so any carbon bike I get is going to be a vast improvement on what I have.

johnjohn3423

This is the spec for the 2014 FOCUS CAYO 2.0

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1864252/

coach22

€1800 is not a good price for a second hand Focus.

They can be bought new online for that or cheaper from German sites

On the Canyon, be prepared to wait if you want one. Canyon are having terrible problems fulfilling orders lately

micar

My sister is a teacher. She's getting a canyon. A document on the dept of education says she doesn't pay VAT.

I looked online and VAT on bikes in Germany is 19%.

Has anyone come across this before?

Perhaps my understanding is not correct.

Unknown Soldier

johnjohn3423 wrote: »

Ive an aluminium bike that's near enough ten years old, so any carbon bike I get is going to be a vast improvement on what I have.

What is the gearing on your current bike? It's quite important. Do you have a compact at the front? And what is your rear cassette? The CF Sl will be a lot less forgiving on hills compared to the Endurace.

micar wrote: »

My sister is a teacher. She's getting a canyon. A document on the dept of education says she doesn't pay VAT.

I looked online and VAT on bikes in Germany is 19%.

Has anyone come across this before?

Perhaps my understanding is not correct.

Canyon are registered in Ireland for Irish VAT.

johnjohn3423

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

What is the gearing on your current bike? It's quite important. Do you have a compact at the front? And what is your rear cassette? The CF Sl will be a lot less forgiving on hills compared to the Endurace.

Thanks I hadn't really thought about the gearing.
Current bike is a 53x39 and 11x30 and I could do with more gears going up the big hills in France at that.
Endurace CF 9.0 50x34 and 11-32
Ultimate CF SL 9.0 52x36 and 11-28
Going by the site http://www.bikecalc.com/gear_ratios am I right in saying the Ultimate CF SL would be exact same in the easiest gear as my current bike and I could always put a 30 on the cassette if needed in future.

Unknown Soldier

johnjohn3423 wrote: »

Thanks I hadn't really thought about the gearing.
Current bike is a 53x39 and 11x30 and I could do with more gears going up the big hills in France at that.
Endurace CF 9.0 50x34 and 11-32
Ultimate CF SL 9.0 52x36 and 11-28
Going by the site http://www.bikecalc.com/gear_ratios am I right in saying the Ultimate CF SL would be exact same in the easiest gear as my current bike and I could always put a 30 on the cassette if needed in future.

Ultimate CF SL 9.0 52x36 and 11-28 is the bike for you so

You'd be grand with that gear ratio. the rear derailleur can handle a 30 rear cog but I don't know if that is an option.

Sammy96

Sorry to hijack an old thread but I am stuck between two Canyons at the moment. My max budget is 3k and I have narrowed it down to the following.

I am racing A4 since last year.

Canyon Ultimate SL Aero - 2800 - Mavic Carbon Wheels

and

Canyon Ultimate SL - 2700 with Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith

Do people have any experience of the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith? They look a nice wheel.

I am not sure if Carbon wheels are the way to go as I have never riden them so I am not sure on the Aero model.

Some advise would be great. Sorry I can't post links.

Thanks

StevieGriff

Sammy96 wrote: »

Sorry to hijack an old thread but I am stuck between two Canyons at the moment. My max budget is 3k and I have narrowed it down to the following.

I am racing A4 since last year.

Canyon Ultimate SL Aero - 2800 - Mavic Carbon Wheels

and

Canyon Ultimate SL - 2700 with Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith

Do people have any experience of the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Exalith? They look a nice wheel.

I am not sure if Carbon wheels are the way to go as I have never riden them so I am not sure on the Aero model.

Some advise would be great. Sorry I can't post links.

Thanks

Would go with the CL SL 9.0. Wouldn't ride Cosmics again if you paid me. Di2 and the Ksyriums will make for an awesome race rig.

Gallant_JJ

Was looking at the exact same option. Can I ask you issue with the Cosmics? The reviews seem decent.

The main think putting me of the canyons was the delivery dates, thinking of Rose on that basis instead.

Ryath

micar wrote: »

My sister is a teacher. She's getting a canyon. A document on the dept of education says she doesn't pay VAT.

I looked online and VAT on bikes in Germany is 19%.

Has anyone come across this before?

Perhaps my understanding is not correct.

Did she manage to get the bike from Canyon? My wife is a teacher and going to use her BTW. She has my head wrecked trying to decide colour is the most important thing She really likes celeste bianchi's They don't offer great value for money though. This canondale synapse may be acceptable it's a bit over budget want to keep to the €1000 if we can.

Didn't think canyon were an option with the department the Endurace may work if it is.

Sammy96

StevieGriff wrote: »

Would go with the CL SL 9.0. Wouldn't ride Cosmics again if you paid me. Di2 and the Ksyriums will make for an awesome race rig.

Thanks. I have to say I like the Ksyrium Pro Exalith wheels. Looks like a good racing package.

Although it doesnt have the Di2 but I am happy with mechanical.

Unknown Soldier

Sammy96 wrote: »

Thanks. I have to say I like the Ksyrium Pro Exalith wheels. Looks like a good racing package.

Although it doesnt have the Di2 but I am happy with mechanical.

At your price point...

https://www.canyon.com/en/road/ultimate/2016/ultimate-cf-sl-9-0-di2.html

Or

https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/ultimate/2016/ultimate-al-slx-9-0-aero.html

The Canyon AL SLX is a savage bike.

Di2 really is the business.

StevieGriff

Gallant_JJ wrote: »

Was looking at the exact same option. Can I ask you issue with the Cosmics? The reviews seem decent.

The main think putting me of the canyons was the delivery dates, thinking of Rose on that basis instead.

Only really talking about the Pro-Carbons & Exaliths. Both are over-priced for their weight. Really cheaply made. V-Profile "aero" rims is outdated and aren't that aero. Narrow rims (outdated) are horrid with 25mm tires on when cornering hard, get that awful tire roll sensation. And the carbon is just a brittle facade.

Sammy96

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

At your price point...

...

Or

....
The Canyon AL SLX is a savage bike.

Di2 really is the business.

Thanks but I will be sticking with carbon with stiffness for racing.

micar

Ryath wrote: »

Did she manage to get the bike from Canyon? My wife is a teacher and going to use her BTW. She has my head wrecked trying to decide colour is the most important thing She really likes celeste bianchi's They don't offer great value for money though. This canondale synapse may be acceptable it's a bit over budget want to keep to the €1000 if we can.

Didn't think canyon were an option with the department the Endurace may work if it is.

My understanding is that you don't VAT in Germany but here in Ireland as Canyon are registered for VAT.

The dept of education are very very slow.