The Volkswagen conspiracy

kidneyfan

Volkswagen have been sercretly modifying emissions levels in testing situations for years. Are other car companies doing this?

What implications does this have for the sheeple types who believe that there are no conspiracies?

ancapailldorcha

kidneyfan wrote: »

Volkswagen have been sercretly modifying emissions levels in testing situations for years. Are other car companies doing this?

What implications does this have for the sheeple types who believe that there are no conspiracies?

There's no need for condescending language.

ScumLord

Everyone knew official car figures were a load of nonsense. Every car company has been doing similar cheats it's just they stayed within the very vague rules, VW pushed the boat out a little bit extra, that's all.


Hopefully they'll bring in a test that replicates real world conditions and enforce tighter controls.

kidneyfan

ScumLord wrote: »

Everyone knew official car figures were a load of nonsense. Every car company has been doing similar cheats it's just they stayed within the very vague rules, VW pushed the boat out a little bit extra, that's all.


Hopefully they'll bring in a test that replicates real world conditions and enforce tighter controls.

Doesn't this PROVE that conspiracies are real?

ScumLord

kidneyfan wrote: »

Doesn't this PROVE that conspiracies are real?

Why wouldn't conspiracies be real?

It's just the vast majority of internet conspiracy theories are complete fantasy. People seem to think if they can imagine a conspiracy, it's a valid conspiracy theory, and they'll go go on the hunt for anything they can link to the theory they came up with.

kidneyfan

Well which is harder to believe:

That the Russians really went to the moon first but the cosmonauts all died and that the Americans prepared a fake moon landing along with the real one which actually worked and the Americans got them all off safely BUT CHOSE to show us all the fake footage of the moon landing for aesthetic reasons.

Or that a huge car company with 60,000 employees partially owned by a German state where the Green party is actually in power would engage in an elaborate conspiracy to deceive givernments worldwide?

ScumLord

kidneyfan wrote: »

Or that a huge car company with 60,000 employees partially owned by a German state where the Green party is actually in power would engage in an elaborate conspiracy to deceive givernments worldwide?

Last I heard there was a possibility there were other manufacturers involved. I wouldn't say the intention was to deceive other governments, I'd say they just didn't give the Americans any credit for checking emissions. They were out to deceive the general public into buying their cars.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were upfront about this feature in their cars to the European agencies, and it was agreed it could be done within reason. No European agency seemed to have any issue with this, it took Americans to highlight the fact is was an out and out cheat.

The car industry is pretty competitive in Europe, I'd say the only reason other manufacturers didn't call out VW was because they didn't want to bring themselves under the spotlight and didn't want to force any changes to the existing rules if it could be avoided. Otherwise they would have jumped all over the opportunity to take one of the biggest manufacturers in Europe down a peg or two.

This was a conspiracy, but it was done out in the open and the general public practically encouraged them into doing it by accepting the stats that they knew full well were stretching the truth.

Allan Blandford

The real reason VW were done is that they were building fuel efficient engines, that is just not allowed, the real conspiracy is from the corrupt governments on a company that were really trying to reduce pollution of the environment by building fuel efficient cars, Volkswager should by praised.

Overheal

Allan Blandford wrote: »

The real reason VW were done is that they were building fuel efficient engines, that is just not allowed, the real conspiracy is from the corrupt governments on a company that were really trying to reduce pollution of the environment by building fuel efficient cars, Volkswager should by praised.

Your post indicates you are unclear as to what the cheat devices actually did. Here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34324772

Full details of how it worked are sketchy, although the EPA has said that the engines had computer software that could sense test scenarios by monitoring speed, engine operation, air pressure and even the position of the steering wheel.
When the cars were operating under controlled laboratory conditions - which typically involve putting them on a stationary test rig - the device appears to have put the vehicle into a sort of safety mode in which the engine ran below normal power and performance. Once on the road, the engines switched out of this test mode.
The result? The engines emitted nitrogen oxide pollutants up to 40 times above what is allowed in the US.

kidneyfan

Overheal wrote: »

Your post indicates you are unclear as to what the cheat devices actually did. Here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34324772

According to the EPA who were in on the conspiracy for all we know. :rolleyes: This was only revealed because corageous scientists from West Virginia stood up to a multinational and probably the US government.

Overheal

kidneyfan wrote: »

According to the EPA who were in on the conspiracy for all we know. :rolleyes: This was only revealed because corageous scientists from West Virginia stood up to a multinational and probably the US government.

Why then would Volkswagen engineers come out and admit the devices were installed on 11 million vehicles? Why would VW allow their stock to drop 40%? You're throwing darts on a merry-go-round.

So far in this thread you've tried to say VW manipulated/mislead consumers. How does the EPA plug into that conspiracy? How can they be both 'in on it' and 'not allow companies like VW to build clean cars because they're part of a corrupt government'? Why would the EPA conspire with VW to let it happen, and then accuse them of doing it? You're not making any sense and not stating any endgame.

We already know conspiracies exist.

ScumLord

kidneyfan wrote: »

According to the EPA who were in on the conspiracy for all we know. :rolleyes: This was only revealed because corageous scientists from West Virginia stood up to a multinational and probably the US government.

To be fair to the Americans they have come down on some pretty corrupt institutions lately. They kind of put Europe to shame this year exposing scandals that we were just fine with.

Like I said before it was common knowledge that none of the mileage ratings promoted by the car companies worked in the real world. They were allowed to send in cars with most the insides taken out to make it lighter and all sorts of other tricks. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back. There should be independent testing from now on, car manufacturers shouldn't be allowed to come up with their own numbers under their own favourable conditions.