The Naturally Aspirated engine RIP

unkel

We've all seen it coming, but it's going a bit quicker than I thought and the end is nigh.

BMW no longer make any naturally aspirated engines. Not a single one. Surely most other mass car producers will follow. Eventually even exotic cars will all be turbo charged.

The end of an era, I know emissions legislation leaves manufacturers little choice, but that doesn't make me any happier about it. Goodbye to the glorious engines of yesteryear. We will miss you. And welcome to the new generation. In 10 years time we will all be driving a 0.5l 2 cylinder Kia or the richer folk a 1.0l 3 cylinder BMW...

Mister Jingles

unkel wrote: »

In 10 years time we will all be driving a 0.5l 2 cylinder Kia or the richer folk a 1.0l 3 cylinder BMW...

It's already started, if anyone had said 5 or 10 years ago that one day they will put a 1.0 3 cylinder into a Mondeo, people would think your on drugs.

Hachiko

one of the reasons i want a v8 now myself.

bear1

Tbh I had a polo tsi on hire for a week and although nearly gutless in the low gears and a bit of turbo lag in the others it was a cracker of a car and quite rev happy.
But I agree, more things to go wrong also.

unkel

That's a cracker of an engine, I've had the 1.4 TSI single turbo in a VW Touran (7 seat MPV) rental car and it was more than adequate. But as you say, very low down (below where the turbo kicks in) there is shockingly little torque. This is the same for any turbocharged engine

A big N/A engine on the other hand has plenty of its torque available at idle.Or as Bentley said about 100 years ago: There is no replacement for displacement!

Eric Cartman

Theres no v12 in the g11 7er , the 750 is now a turbo v8, although a nice one at that, the 740 is a straight 6, jaysus id even say the v8 isnt long for this world.

Brasso

Do Mercedes-Benz have much NA stuff in their lineup? I know the latest SLK 55 AMG is a naturally aspirated V8 and I think the 3.5 V6 petrol from the E-Class is too. But I think the new A/CLA/GLA class are all turbo engines, probably the same for the rest of the new ranges soon enough, that V6 could be out the door next (do they even sell it in Ireland?).

In regards to a V12 7, it is possible BMW has one in the works, the S-Class has one and BMW wouldn't like to be behind. They can also share the V12 tech with Rolls Royce so I'm still hoping to see a V12.

XR3i

carburettor

*Kol*

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34731463

Henry Ford III

Not quite......

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/audi/audi-r8-v10-plus-2015-review/

Chris_Heilong

There is always Lexus who seem to love the NA engine.

RedorDead

I dont think there is any plans to move this to Turbo

For the mundane stuff its a positive imo, NASP petrol family cars were always by and large gutless.

unkel

Fair play to Audi for still using the V10, although its days are no doubt numbered. It is easy to mourn the likes of the legendary Ferrari V12 engines that will soon be gone too, but how often do you get to see / hear / drive one of those?

The Audi, BMW and to a lesser extent Lexus V10 racing engines are cars you do see sometimes. And hear. And maybe even drive. And maybe just maybe even own one day. I was lucky to drive a BMW M6 earlier this year and I'll never forget the scream of that V10 engine at full throttle. And the power through the rear wheels! My children are unlikely to ever experience driving a car with an engine like that...

R.O.R

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

There is always Lexus who seem to love the NA engine.

The 2.5 4 cylinder currently in the IS300h is to be replaced by a 2.0 Turbo unit.

Voodoomelon

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres no v12 in the g11 7er , the 750 is now a turbo v8, although a nice one at that, the 740 is a straight 6, jaysus id even say the v8 isnt long for this world.

The 750 has been a V8 since the E65.

Brasso wrote: »

In regards to a V12 7, it is possible BMW has one in the works, the S-Class has one and BMW wouldn't like to be behind. They can also share the V12 tech with Rolls Royce so I'm still hoping to see a V12.

Don't think we have to worry, there is almost certainly a V12 for the 760 on the way, likely from the Wraith, twin turbo too. But even that is no longer NA.

draiochtanois

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RedorDead

OSI wrote: »

Ahem:

What i meant is that the V10 and V10 Plus will remain n/a

colm_mcm

went ok for nissan to be fair

H3llR4iser

unkel wrote: »

We've all seen it coming, but it's going a bit quicker than I thought and the end is nigh.

BMW no longer make any naturally aspirated engines. Not a single one. Surely most other mass car producers will follow. Eventually even exotic cars will all be turbo charged.

The end of an era, I know emissions legislation leaves manufacturers little choice, but that doesn't make me any happier about it. Goodbye to the glorious engines of yesteryear. We will miss you. And welcome to the new generation. In 10 years time we will all be driving a 0.5l 2 cylinder Kia or the richer folk a 1.0l 3 cylinder BMW...

It's cycles; In 20 years time, we'll be lamenting the extinction of the turbo engines in favour of whatever new / more convenient technology hits the market. We already had a "turbo era" in the '80s and guess what - when all manufacturers started moving to NA engines, everyone were mourning the "death" of the compressors...

Oafley Jones

R.O.R wrote: »

The 2.5 4 cylinder currently in the IS300h is to be replaced by a 2.0 Turbo unit.

You sure? They usually keep the turbo engines for the non hybrids such as NX200t. I assume this would be a IS200t and replace the current IS250.

ION08

Its not the widespread use of forced induction that worries me but rather the thought of 2 and 3 cylinders engines becoming the accepted norm with "exotic" 4 cylinder engines being reserved for range topping models.

Fast forward a couple of years and the majority on here will be praising 1.5 3cyl Bmw 3 and 5 series just like they did with the 1.0 ford ecoboost :rolleyes:

Mycroft H

unkel wrote: »

That's a cracker of an engine, I've had the 1.4 TSI single turbo in a VW Touran (7 seat MPV) rental car and it was more than adequate. But as you say, very low down (below where the turbo kicks in) there is shockingly little torque. This is the same for any turbocharged engine

A big N/A engine on the other hand has plenty of its torque available at idle.Or as Bentley said about 100 years ago: There is no replacement for displacement!

Don't think Bentley will be changing too quick. I'm sure they'll still describe the power output as "adequate"

Hachiko

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

There is always Lexus who seem to love the NA engine.

Lexus are moving towards hybrids/turbos. The only exception is the 5L V8 they do in the RCF but how long more will that be going.

Hachiko

Oafley Jones wrote: »

You sure? They usually keep the turbo engines for the non hybrids such as NX200t. I assume this would be a IS200t and replace the current IS250.

aye, The 200t is a replacement for the is250.

Hachiko

R.O.R wrote: »

The 2.5 4 cylinder currently in the IS300h is to be replaced by a 2.0 Turbo unit.

the 2 litre turbo is in the new' is250.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-lexus-is200t-the-entry-level-lexus-is-gets-a-much-needed-power-boost/

selectamatic

colm_mcm wrote: »

went ok for nissan to be fair

Lancia's delta s4 wasn't bad either

monkeynuz

Mycroft H wrote: »

Don't think Bentley will be changing too quick. I'm sure they'll still describe the power output as "adequate"

? Bentley have been using turbos and superchargers for quite a while.

colm_mcm

It's amazing it's taken this long really, it's a long time since turbos were reserved for performance models. Try finding a non turbo diesel these days.

ofcork

I see the new Ferrari F12tdf is making massive power from a naturally aspirated V12.