Do you feel connected ?

Drumpot

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1109/740623-co2-levels-record-high/


We have seen the world end in many movies - asteroids, aliens, humans, mother nature . . In some regards people have become accustomed to seeing the world end, but are people actually aware of the effects our behaviours are having on our environment?

I would hazard an anecdotal guess that most of us are oblivious to the damages we are causing to our environment or simply don't care. Its a very human trait to not give a damn about something that may not directly, immediately effect you.

Indeed, my own reaction to this kind of information is to consider buying a house much higher then sea level and try to educate my children to grow their own food. I am human, so I interpret this information in a way I can do something for my own. The egomaniacs we have running the world represent the least connected (self aware) human beings on the planet so I don't feel capable of making significant contribution to change.

This doesn't disguise or change the fact that it looks like, for all intense and purposes, that there is a strong chance that we will end up poisoning (beyond repaid) the very atmosphere we need to survive.

This makes me wonder how many people are actually self aware or really connected to their environment? Do people actually think about their actions, their environment or their own mortality?

I sometimes feel disconnected to life, particularly when I use too much tv, internet or phone. Its ironic, the more information I process from technology, the less in touch I feel with reality. Its only when I am in the middle of a field surrounded by nature or disconnected from technology, that I truly feel alive/connected.

Stream of consciousness . . Fade out . . . .

smash

Bloody hippie!

The Backwards Man

And when I think of how the walruses die, salt water wells in my eye.

kneemos

Just teach your kids to shoot.

NachoBusiness

Somethin' ain't right..

Superhorse

OP the majority of people don't give a hoot about the environment. Is that right, no but that's the reality.

NachoBusiness

If your mind's neglected, stumble you might fall, stumble you might fall.

SEPT 23 1989

How fast do you think the sea levels are rising that you would need to build a house on stilts OP?

biko

Connected to what? Gaia?

ScumLord

Drumpot wrote: »

I would hazard an anecdotal guess that most of us are oblivious to the damages we are causing to our environment or simply don't care. Its a very human trait to not give a damn about something that may not directly, immediately effect you.

I doubt there are field mice contemplating the effects of human activity on the environment. A Zebra will happily stand and watch it's cousin being eaten by a lion, once they think the lion has stopped hunting.

The fact humanity is changing at all is a pretty incredible thing to happen. We're one of only a handful of species that has been able to single handedly change the environment of the planet and we're the only one that's made any effort to minimise our effects rather than expect the rest of the world to just deal with it.

What we're trying to do is pretty difficult. To get an entire species to change habits and learned behaviour for next to no benefit to themselves.


Don't bother teaching your children to grow their own food, unless you actually have a farm and land don't expect a garden patch to provide anything other than a few meals.

NachoBusiness

I see through you, I see through you.

kneemos

I think Ireland should be exempt on the basis that anything we do won't make any difference.

Duggy747

ScumLord wrote: »

Don't bother teaching your children to grow their own food, unless you actually have a farm and land don't expect a garden patch to provide anything other than a few meals.

Huh, you've obviously never planted a hotdog tree or a lasagne bush.

ScumLord

Duggy747 wrote: »

Huh, you've obviously never planted a hotdog tree or a lasagne bush.

I've already feel for your lasagne bush scam! I waited 2 months for that lasagne bush to sprout, you bastard.

Duggy747

ScumLord wrote: »

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scamalert

reminds me of a quote from the wire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1ExC52BOc
about all that 2 degree celsius increase kumba ya crap.

NachoBusiness

I wanna do it again, I wanna do it again.

Drumpot

ScumLord wrote: »

I doubt there are field mice contemplating the effects of human activity on the environment. A Zebra will happily stand and watch it's cousin being eaten by a lion, once they think the lion has stopped hunting.

The fact humanity is changing at all is a pretty incredible thing to happen. We're one of only a handful of species that has been able to single handedly change the environment of the planet and we're the only one that's made any effort to minimise our effects rather than expect the rest of the world to just deal with it.

What we're trying to do is pretty difficult. To get an entire species to change habits and learned behaviour for next to no benefit to themselves.


Don't bother teaching your children to grow their own food, unless you actually have a farm and land don't expect a garden patch to provide anything other than a few meals.

Would learning to be more considerate of our environment really have no benefit to us personally ? I suppose that depends on how quickly our environment changes and whether or not that has a significant effect on our lives. Since we don't know for certain, it suggests we are happy to roll the dice until something drastic Forces us to make changes. That ties in nicely with how we vote, short term, instant results orientated strategy's/decisions, with little foresight.

My sentiments are not so much a"doomsday prepper" strategy as it is a useful skill that happens to also be a natural hobby connected to nature. I find a lot of the "progressive" tools of modern society to be creating bad/lazy habits that directly and indirectly create a less connected person.


The fact that we as humans have free will and the intelligence to change our environment only further backs up my own opinion that we are completely disconnected from the ramifications of our actions. Much of the inventions of today are about immediate desires playing into the self absorbed narcissistic nature of humankind. A zebra doesn't know any better, but we do. Considering what's potentially at play, we put extremely limited resources towards figuring out how to protect ourselves.

How do you think modern people would do if a solar flare from the sun fried all electrical equipment even for just a few months ? Its a fact of life that there are things beyond our control that could make our reliance on technology as much a danger to civilisation as it is a help. Yet people place little to no importance on demanding that our intelligence be used to protect us as a species.

Zombienosh

Seen Cowspiracy?

The majority of greenhouse gases and environment damage comes from agriculture.

the_syco

Drumpot wrote: »

Indeed, my own reaction to this kind of information is to consider buying a house much higher then sea level and try to educate my children to grow their own food.

Add to this, show them how to hunt using a gun.

If the world goes tits up, it won't be animals that you'll be hunting... it'll be people trying to rob your crops.

Zombienosh wrote: »

The majority of greenhouse gases and environment damage comes from agriculture.

And cows.

Drumpot

Zombienosh wrote: »

Seen Cowspiracy?

The majority of greenhouse gases and environment damage comes from agriculture.

I've certainly heard about how cattle produce a significant amount of toxins alright.




Did you hear that most oxygen comes from the sea?





I do as little as anybody on these forums to change our circumstances. I just find human nature in relation to our environment quite odd. I am curious as to why are we so self destructive as a species and whether it is simply our disconnect from cause and effect of our actions.

Some people hide their ignorance behind humour or slang (hippy etc) to avoid objective debate. Others don't bother engaging, but is that because the truth about humanity is hard to stomach and even harder to fix?

I reckon AH is a far more accurate reflection of humanity's indifference to its environment.

Drumpot

the_syco wrote: »

Add to this, show them how to hunt using a gun.

If the world goes tits up, it won't be animals that you'll be hunting... it'll be people trying to rob your crops.


And cows.

I know what you are saying, but for all I write, I am as oblivious to the dangers of our reliance on technology as everybody else. I am more a philosopher, so I do f**k all like everybody else and just discuss/think about it.

Unlike most, what does separate me is that I can be honest and objective. This goes back to my point about awareness. People cannot be fully aware of their lives and at the same time lie to themselves about how their actions have an effect on their environment, this includes their actions having effects on other people.

_Brian

I live 186meters above sea level, an hour drive from the coast. Let the sea do it's best !!

The Backwards Man

Only for a wee tiny bit if space junk we'd all be typing here with tiny hands, scaly bodies and pointy things on our backs. A bigger one or another tiny one or whatever and we'll be away. . POOF!!!. . just like that.

I'm not going to worry about rising sea levels or holes in the ozone any more than I'm worried about Andromeda and the Milky Way colliding in a hundred billionty years time, fcuk all to do with me and there's fcuk all I can do about it.

Yous hippies can go round sticking your fingers in dykes all you want, I'm going to live my life and take it as it comes.

LDN_Irish

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yous hippies can go round sticking your fingers in dykes all you want

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The Backwards Man

LDN_Irish wrote: »

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Getting my analogies mixed up there. I meant King Canute, not the wee Dutch fella

ToddyDoody

kneemos wrote: »

I think Ireland should be exempt on the basis that anything we do won't make any difference.

*Woot Woot*

wendell borton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlsCLukG9A

wakka12

kneemos wrote: »

I think Ireland should be exempt on the basis that anything we do won't make any difference.

With the amounts of resources the average Irish person consumes Id say the country has as big an impact on the worlds environment as about 30 million Indians or citizens of other equally poor countries