Is there a possibility that an Islamic culture will overtake European cultures?

TheLastMohican

With the mass migration of peoples from Africa, the Middle East and other trouble spots - mostly Islamic - to Europe .......... will it change the social and cultural dynamic that makes Europe what it is. I mean, Germany has absorbed lots and lots of Turks over the last 75 years. They mainly have not assimilated ......... why should the present batch of refugees be any different? A different god, a different culture, a different ideology etc.
France and Sweden have similar experiences. Likewise Gt Britain with no go areas for the police.
Has Europe, out of naivety, guilt or grandiose delusions voted to "integrate all comers from war zones"? Without first wondering if these people want to integrate?
As their birthrate will be far higher than that of the indigenous inhabitants ........ does it not stand to reason that they will try to exert pressure on the locals to accept some of their customs ....... Sharia Law, Female Genital Mutilation, arranged child marriages and so on.
Not to mention being woken by the Muezzin at cock-crow!

The Randy Riverbeast

It is the abrahamic God which Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share so not a different God.

Then the last census in the UK shows Muslims to be 5% of the population, 1% in Ireland. I'm sure it could be a bit higher but it would take a serious amount of time for them to outbreed the non Muslims and that is assuming they will continue to have a high birth rate. Look at Ireland in the past 50 years and you would barely recognise it. We went from sending unwed mothers into homes to gay people getting married.

unless a large portion of Christians decide to join up with the Muslims to defeat the PC brigade and the evil secularists I wouldn't worry too much.

SeantheMan

TheLastMohican wrote: »

........ does it not stand to reason that they will try to exert pressure on the locals to accept some of their customs ....... Sharia Law, Female Genital Mutilation, arranged child marriages and so on.
Not to mention being woken by the Muezzin at cock-crow!

It doesn't stand to reason because most of those things are not accepted in Western society and many are illegal.
I would guess that they will end up with their own 'communities' in certain areas (as most races have) where some of the above might still take place.

Samaris

Do you know who the last lot that this rather unpleasant fearmongering about "outbreeding" the X class was about? Catholics.

After all, Catholics were encouraged to breed indiscriminately and avoided birth control. "Everyone" knew that by simple mathematics, the dirty Papists would eventually outnumber God-fearing Protestants and they'd die out!!

Well, at the last count, Catholics had done reasonably well for themselves, but America and England, (as two of the main places we immigrated in droves to) are still predominantly and safely Protestant of various stripes.

Another thing is that it's no longer so much "X religion vs Y religion" - we'll say Islam and Catholic for Ireland. It's "Religion vs Non-Religion", and it's non-religion that's more likely to win at the moment. We're a very bloody-minded breed. Even if, say, a relatively small number of hardcore Muslims start insisting on Sharia Whatever, the general mass (no pun intended) is going to tell them to get lost, because if the Catholic Church can't tell us what to do, damned if some furriner church is going to.

Now, if the government started telling us that we should ban the Muslims because they were going to take over the everything, that's when we should start worrying. A few thousand people would probably convert right off and go "nyah", because we really are just like that!

ihatemyfish

Some will claim that Muslims will become atheist and non religious even though it is the second and third generation Muslims who are causing most of the problems and becoming a lot more radicalised than their parents. The parents experienced life in an Islamic country firsthand and came here to get away from it! Their children don't really fit in as true "Europeans/Swedes/Brits/French/Germans/etc" so look towards Islam and become more radicalised.

They will claim that their birth rates will drop off and fall inline with the natives birth rates by third generation. This is absolutely true, of course, but it does not matter a jot if millions of Muslims are migrating to Europe each year.

It is a numbers game and unless immigration policy, or lack thereof, drastically changes or the native birth rate massively increases, then large swathes of Europe will become predominantly Muslim. Will it be in our lifetime or our children's lifetimes? That remains to be seen.

ihatemyfish

SeantheMan wrote: »

It doesn't stand to reason because most of those things are not accepted in Western society and many are illegal.
I would guess that they will end up with their own 'communities' in certain areas (as most races have) where some of the above might still take place.

Ireland is reportedly a haven for FGM. It was in the Irish Examiner the other week. Thousands have had the procedure carried out here. No prosecutions have been brought. Hundreds of thousands have had the procedure carried out in the UK. One successful conviction.

Samaris

Thing is though, ihatemyfish (what did the poor fish do, by the way? O.O), that works very well by pure logic and yet...we just haven't seen it happen yet. See Catholics in the previous example. There's something more complex at work than pure numbers.

ihatemyfish

Samaris wrote: »

Thing is though, ihatemyfish (what did the poor fish do, by the way? O.O), that works very well by pure logic and yet...we just haven't seen it happen yet. See Catholics in the previous example. There's something more complex at work than pure numbers.

You're trying to compare historical emigration to vastly uninhabited continent sized countries where the natives where decimated and no welfare state worth speaking of existed to current mass immigration into Europe.

These are two incomparable situations and even if they were'nt and a similar situation plays out, integration took over one hundred years for the Catholics. I can safely say that I do not have a hundred years and would prefer not to turn my home continent into **** in the meantime.

blinding

If people are given plenty of money superstitious mumbo jumbo mostly takes a back seat.

Money seems to be plenty of God for most people(except the odd nut job,obviously) if they have enough of it.

Send me plenty of money and I will let you know how religiously I am getting on with it;).

Nodin

TheLastMohican wrote: »

With the mass migration of peoples from Africa, the Middle East and other trouble spots - mostly Islamic - to Europe .......... will it change the social and cultural dynamic that makes Europe what it is. I mean, Germany has absorbed lots and lots of Turks over the last 75 years. They mainly have not assimilated ......... why should the present batch of refugees be any different? A different god, a different culture, a different ideology etc.
France and Sweden have similar experiences. Likewise Gt Britain with no go areas for the police.
Has Europe, out of naivety, guilt or grandiose delusions voted to "integrate all comers from war zones"? Without first wondering if these people want to integrate?
As their birthrate will be far higher than that of the indigenous inhabitants ........ does it not stand to reason that they will try to exert pressure on the locals to accept some of their customs ....... Sharia Law, Female Genital Mutilation, arranged child marriages and so on.
Not to mention being woken by the Muezzin at cock-crow!

Name 3.

Subsequent generations have less children than the original.

Alexis Sanchez

Samaris wrote: »

Do you know who the last lot that this rather unpleasant fearmongering about "outbreeding" the X class was about? Catholics.

After all, Catholics were encouraged to breed indiscriminately and avoided birth control. "Everyone" knew that by simple mathematics, the dirty Papists would eventually outnumber God-fearing Protestants and they'd die out!!

You're forgetting about the women's rights movement. Before that, Protestants had very large families, too, so it would be difficult for the Catholics to outnumber them. I don't see a women's rights movement happening anytime soon in the Islamic world, especially when you have moronic liberals pandering to Islam, telling us that this ideology is above criticism [see the Charlie Hebdo thread for examples].

Well, at the last count, Catholics had done reasonably well for themselves, but America and England, (as two of the main places we immigrated in droves to) are still predominantly and safely Protestant of various stripes.

This chart shows the America is not "safely" Protestant, which this is mostly likely due to increasing Latino immigration and atheism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#PROLADES_data

The type of migrants Europe are allowing in this Summer are mostly unskilled, uneducated and come from countries with lower IQs, so they aren't too bright (hence the reason why their sneaking in instead of entering through by legal means). The reason why people of European decent are leaning towards atheism is because we're more intelligent and better educated, so we're more likely to figure out that religion is bullshít.

Point I'm trying to make is: these migrants won't be losing their religion anytime soon and their women won't be working as much as European women are, so the women are baby factories for men who are less intelligent, much less in some cases, than Europeans.

With white people dying out in Europe, we're replacing them with less intelligent humans and will lead us the falling behind America and especially Australia who have superior immigration control systems combined with the obvious fact that intelligence is genetically inherited.

I have no problem with immigration from outside of Europe, but our current immigration system reckless and self-destructive, especially when you take into consideration the severe lack of background checks and vetting we're doing on migrants entering our borders.

ScumLord

That will never be an issue in Ireland, we'll just outbreed them. We're great at riding.

The_Kew_Tour

Ireland will be a Islamic State someday.

Not maybe in our children's lifetime, but after that who knows.

France and Sweden will be Islamic State by 2040 and Germany could be anytime the way it's heading.

GLaDOS

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