What breed is SA

Bernice101

What breed is SA , I bought some breeding heifers a few weeks ago and just seen that one of them is registered as a SAX in the breed box ?

Feckthis

Bernice101 wrote: »

What breed is SA , I bought some breeding heifers a few weeks ago and just seen that one of them is registered as a SAX in the breed box ?

Saler

Bernice101

cheers thank you

tanko

Bernice101 wrote: »

What breed is SA , I bought some breeding heifers a few weeks ago and just seen that one of them is registered as a SAX in the breed box ?

Is she quiet?

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

tanko wrote: »

Is she quiet?

she does be beltin' out 'Baker Street' every evenin

Miname

There a bold tramp of a breed that have the best pelvis to throw a calf but shouldn't be let near a bull purely for the bad temper and danger they have around calving. Plus there a horrible red.

tanko

Miname wrote: »

There a bold tramp of a breed that have the best pelvis to throw a calf but shouldn't be let near a bull purely for the bad temper and danger they have around calving. Plus there a horrible red.

Are they any worse than limos around calving time tho. A neighbour of mine has them, they're a super cross with a CH bull giving the hairy golden yellow calf that sells do well.

TITANIUM.

Miname wrote: »

There a bold tramp of a breed that have the best pelvis to throw a calf but shouldn't be let near a bull purely for the bad temper and danger they have around calving. Plus there a horrible red.

Never had one here probably due to the stories about how mad they are. All my cow's are pretty quite but it takes abit of work and patience to get and keep them that way. I wonder if I could quiten a saler. I wonder would they bring a nice golden orange off a big ch?

Edit. Tanko can obviously type faster then me.

barnaman

Neighbour has 5 pedigree cows which bred 3 bulls that he is fattenin to sell as breeding bulls. One of the bull calves at 6 months went to go for me shaking head pawing the ground the lot! Mad things to stay well way from although they do look lovely. Cows are mental too saw one of them shoving the same bull calf clean across a field.

west79

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Never had one here probably due to the stories about how mad they are. All my cow's are pretty quite but it takes abit of work and patience to get and keep them that way. I wonder if I could quiten a saler. I wonder would they bring a nice golden orange off a big ch?

Edit. Tanko can obviously type faster then me.

I agree with the about I have about 30 myself and find them a super cow and they breed great with CH bull. They are no worse than a Lim but I'd say if they they were crossed with a lim they would be too flighty. If you are not good with animals or highly strung yourself stay away from them they are not the breed for you. Stick with a few whiteheads.

Miname

tanko wrote: »

Are they any worse than limos around calving time tho. A neighbour of mine has them, they're a super cross with a CH bull giving the hairy golden yellow calf that sells do well.

Limos are alright now the breed society done loads with temperament. They were always giddy but the salers are pure evil. They throw great store cattle but wouldn't be throwing the fancy export type in general.

tanko

west79 wrote: »

I agree with the about I have about 30 myself and find them a super cow and they breed great with CH bull. They are no worse than a Lim but I'd say if they they were crossed with a lim they would be too flighty. If you are not good with animals or highly strung yourself stay away from them they are not the breed for you. Stick with a few whiteheads.

Do you buy in your replacements?

barnaman

Out of my sucklers would say 30 of them are 75% pure Lim and agree with Min that some are giddy/nervous but the wickness is gone out of them. Salers seem compeltely different if you have good calving sheds give them a try but if you are farming and calving by yourself stay clear. Cows at calving are most dangerous thing on it and not want to find out what those Saler could do if you have a sick calf after calving.

west79

tanko wrote: »

Do you buy in your replacements?

No I run a saler and a Ch bull so I have enough of my own. The Saler heifers are the only cow suitable to calf at two years as far as I'm concerned. I had one that calfed at 14months and calfed again at 24 months. They just keep growing and calving young don't really stunt the growth. I tried calving a few ch heifers at 24months and unless u pump nuts into them they go back a lot. I have never gave nuts to the salers.

Miname

west79 wrote: »

I agree with the about I have about 30 myself and find them a super cow and they breed great with CH bull. They are no worse than a Lim but I'd say if they they were crossed with a lim they would be too flighty. If you are not good with animals or highly strung yourself stay away from them they are not the breed for you. Stick with a few whiteheads.

It's about that crazy zone they go into for two to three weeks around calving not bad stockman ship or anything. They just get violent, they are also the first animal to lift their heads, prick their ears and head for the furthest corner of a field thankfully I've only 2 left with saler breeding and every year their calves come wild too, and they don't get abuse.

west79

Miname wrote: »

It's about that crazy zone they go into for two to three weeks around calving not bad stockman ship or anything. They just get violent, they are also the first animal to lift their heads, prick their ears and head for the furthest corner of a field thankfully I've only 2 left with saler breeding and every year their calves come wild too, and they don't get abuse.

They calf outside for me around Jan Feb time. They come into a slatted shed to eat and I grab the calf if I need to while the cows are eating. I tag scull and casterate at two weeks and that the last time I will handle them until weaning at the start of December. They are all home breed so they are not weary of anything.

tanko

west79 wrote: »

They calf outside for me around Jan Feb time. They come into a slatted shed to eat and I grab the calf if I need to while the cows are eating. I tag scull and casterate at two weeks and that the last time I will handle them until weaning at the start of December. They are all home breed so they are not weary of anything.

You're lucky they have horns at two weeks old, most lims wouldn't have any til six weeks old.
Do you sell them as weanlings or finish them yourself?

west79

tanko wrote: »

You're lucky they have horns at two weeks old, most lims wouldn't have any til six weeks old.
Do you sell them as weanlings or finish them yourself?

I bring them to 5 to 600kg stores. I don't think it would pay to sell them as weanlings. They would be well behind the ch of the same weight. There were a few super sa Bulls in the farmers journal at ennis mart a few weeks back making over €200 less that the same weight ch Bulls. At stores breed don't matter as much. I wouldn't like to be depending on Salers for good weanling prices. I keep them for breeding replacements mixed mostly Saler replacements and a few black whitehead of the dairy herd.

welton john

F##kin wild mad bastards ,them salers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TdC1tYzIEXk

kelslat

I have a good few here myself mainly cross bred and some purebred. I have not noticed them any worse than other breeds. Calling them evil is a bit harsh. I have had run ins with an Angus and a charolais and they are supposed to be quieter. I have a couple of limousins that are fairly flighty and they are going to make room for more salers cows.

High bike

kelslat wrote: »

I have a good few here myself mainly cross bred and some purebred. I have not noticed them any worse than other breeds. Calling them evil is a bit harsh. I have had run ins with an Angus and a charolais and they are supposed to be quieter. I have a couple of limousins that are fairly flighty and they are going to make room for more salers cows.

same here bought a couple of suckler 2yrs ago with saler bull calves and back in calf to the same bull n never had a problem with them ,have sim's off the same cows this year and if anything a bit flightier than the salers.

pedigree 6

welton john wrote: »

F##kin wild mad bastards ,them salers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TdC1tYzIEXk

What was that tune they were playing?:p

patsy_mccabe

Apart from their docility and general psychopathic tendencies, I think they make the perfect suckler cow. I love their bone structure and they have plenty of milk too. I've had a couple of RIO calves here. Both very quiet but prone to be frightened very easily. I had RIO bull in the yard one day and when the AI guy arrived in, he jumped clean out over a 5ft wall (the bull now not the AI man).:D

As soon as they have a proven docile Saler bull in AI, I will be sure to try him. I've enough mad cattle around the place.

High bike

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Apart from their docility and general psychopathic tendencies, I think they make the perfect suckler cow. I love their bone structure and they have plenty of milk too. I've had a couple of RIO calves here. Both very quiet but prone to be frightened very easily. I had RIO bull in the yard one day and when the AI guy arrived in, he jumped clean out over a 5ft wall (the bull now not the AI man).:D

As soon as they have a proven docile Saler bull in AI, I will be sure to try him. I've enough mad cattle around the place.

was thinking of a few Rio straws in a few maiden heifers next year,would you recommend him Patsy?

Bullocks

west79 wrote: »

They calf outside for me around Jan Feb time. They come into a slatted shed to eat and I grab the calf if I need to while the cows are eating. I tag scull and casterate at two weeks and that the last time I will handle them until weaning at the start of December. They are all home breed so they are not weary of anything.

I'm a bit off topic but whats your method for castration at 2 weeks

patsy_mccabe

High bike wrote: »

was thinking of a few Rio straws in a few maiden heifers next year,would you recommend him Patsy?

I'd only use him on very quiet cows. They're not great weanling sellers, but turn inside out in the second year. I'd be prepared to keep them on then. That said I never kept one as a cow. Great way to get a few 5* star heifers, that's for sure.

patsy_mccabe

Here's a RIO bull I had as a teaser a few years back. I killed him under 30 months and he was a heifers calf.

tanko

I've four OZS Limx heifers incalf to RIO, I'll probably get four Bulls.

LivInt20

Salers Bull Weanling Calves born October 2014, Pics from July 2015, 420 kgs

High bike

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I'd only use him on very quiet cows. They're not great weanling sellers, but turn inside out in the second year. I'd be prepared to keep them on then. That said I never kept one as a cow. Great way to get a few 5* star heifers, that's for sure.

thats what im hoping for a few 5* replacements and keep Bulls for grass in the spring,

High bike

LivInt20 wrote: »

Salers Bull Weanling Calves born October 2014, Pics from July 2015, 420 kgs

nice bunch of weanlings there

oldsmokey

Miname wrote: »

It's about that crazy zone they go into for two to three weeks around calving not bad stockman ship or anything. They just get violent, they are also the first animal to lift their heads, prick their ears and head for the furthest corner of a field thankfully I've only 2 left with saler breeding and every year their calves come wild too, and they don't get abuse.

I was going to try Rio -for milk - on a few heifers next spring - on limx heifers..not a good plan then?

oldsmokey

welton john wrote: »

F##kin wild mad bastards ,them salers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TdC1tYzIEXk

That sure is a different story

djmc

oldsmokey wrote: »

That sure is a different story

I had a few salers in the past some limasions also never had a problem with either.
IMO two things cause mad animals 1 the breeding strain of bull used and cow temperament
2 management and human contact.
If a main breeder in an area used a bull with bad temperament most of his offspring would be the same.

patsy_mccabe

I often wonder if docility is a survival thing, going way back generations. If a cow won't let you near her young calf, she sure as hell won't let a predator either.
Either that or, the cute french farmers sold all their crazy bitches to poor paddy when he came over first.

mikeoh

I was going to give KKB from dovea to 5 BB heifers I have as I wanted to add height and avoid muscle , and also keep females as replacements but ye have me worried now has anyone used this bull

bogman_bass

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I often wonder if docility is a survival thing, going way back generations. If a cow won't let you near her young calf, she sure as hell won't let a predator either.
Either that or, the cute french farmers sold all their crazy bitches to poor paddy when he came over first.

you;re right on both counts!

Salerchamp

I have a few Salers and don't have any issues around docility. I think a big factor around docility is how often you see them, if you only look at them from the gate once a day then what else do you expect?

Some can be quite protective at calving time but that goes away after a week or so once they've calved. I've found that using a comb is a great way to get them used to you being around them, it's come to a stage where they walk up to me in the field expecting me to comb them now!!

patsy_mccabe

Do you have purebreds Salerchamp?

Salerchamp

Have Purebreds alright, a part time gig is all it is! The easy calving is what brought me to them.