Classic commercials

alfaromeo84

Do these need a DOE.

hi5

Yes.

Testacalda

And there are no exceptions unfortunatly.

savagethegoat

there are exceptions....showman's vehicles for instance and I think motor caravans (not mine though).

What's more, you can't tax them without a CVRT

hi5

The thing is you can tax them without CVRT because on the tax office computer they are vintage/veteran so are not flagged.
There are loads of loopholes anyway, stick a small cooker and sink in a van and it becomes a camper. Put a sliding rear window on a pickup truck and it no longer is commercial. Seats in the back of a van/jeep and its no longer commercial.
'Change of particulars form' can cover a lot of things.

Testacalda

savagethegoat wrote: »

there are exceptions....showman's vehicles for instance

What do you mean by showmans vehicle?

savagethegoat

Fairground vehicles etc are I believe a separate category

pryantcc

hi5 wrote: »

Put a sliding rear window on a pickup truck and it no longer is commercial.

Do you have any more detail on this? What's the reasoning behind it?

It might get a friend out of a sticky spot.

hi5

pryantcc wrote: »

Do you have any more detail on this? What's the reasoning behind it?

It might get a friend out of a sticky spot.

A few years ago someone I know imported a non vintage Ford F150 single cab pickup from the US, the VRT office would not register it as commercial because of the sliding window behind the seats, there must be a fixed partition with no openings.
He was told to register it as a private passenger vehicle or else seal up the window with silicon sealer.

swarlb

Is something like a Morris Minor van classed as a 'commercial' ? And if so, does that mean it requires a DOE and is subject to commercial road tax, or is it simply a 'vintage' ?
I would have thought that a commercial van, regardless of age, that requires a DOE, is going to be used as a commercial, as in a 'vehicle used for reward'.

savagethegoat

It appears that you can register it as Vintage and it may slip under the CVRT radar (as far as getting it taxed goes) but it technically should still be tested every year....

rizzodun

In my opinion you'd probably be best running it though the CVRT yearly anyways, great way to stay on top of the overall condition of the van if you ask me.

swarlb

I don't have a Morris Minor Van, or car for that matter. My point was more on the lines of why would a 1960's Morris Minor car be exempt for a test, yet a van would not be ? There is virtually no difference between the two, apart from the obvious.
There is a huge difference in having a 1960's truck needing a requirement for a test than a 'car van'.
I don't care either way, just curious.

hi5

If paschal donohoe published the rsa report he's been siting on do the last six months, he could put us out if our misery.


https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-07-16a.2410

homingbird

CVRT Costs 150 a year NCT Is only 55 which would you prefer to pay.

savagethegoat

I think it's about 115 pa . Not exactly sure because they charge less for Campers. Still double the NCT though

hi5

I paid €111 for a pickup truck a few months ago.

DakarVert

I think it should be done by weights personally, Anything under 3500kgs gross would be exempt as per the cars. (Morris Minor, Escort/Anglia vans would be all okay)

Anything else should require a DOE, I'v seen plenty vintage trucks carrying another truck on the back.


As it stands all commercials require a DOE (Except campers)

Thinkingaboutit

Kevin Byrne has a great collection of them and hires out some for films. They all drive fine, but he insists they get trailered. No hardship for these old workhorses.