Breeders Cup.

finbarrk · 30-10-2015 12:07pm #1

I think War Envoy could be good value @20/1 tonight in the Dirt Mile.

kalinisi · 30-10-2015 12:49pm

Alice springs for me tonight and have a feeling Shogun will run a decent race from his good draw and may place

kksaints · 30-10-2015 1:57pm

Would also be a fan of Shogun in the juvenile turf tonight. Catch a Glimpse in the juvenile fillies turf is also a possible bet for me.

Dubron · 30-10-2015 7:41pm

We are privileged to be watching somebody like Ryan Moore ride day in, day out while he's in his prime. Unbelievable!

closcriobh · 30-10-2015 8:17pm

Great start for the European raiders, brilliant by Ryan Moore. Just a note to anyone betting on European horses in particular, the odds are much better on the US tote usually than our bookmakers. You can take advantage of these odds through a lot of bookies and on the Irish tote through thetote.com. E.g. War Envoy was 16s with bookmakers and 33s over on the US tote.

DylanAFC · 30-10-2015 8:27pm

Super ride from Ryan Moore. If you'd backed him you would've been cursing him coming into the straight.

Hope Legatissimo can win tomorrow and surely Gleneagles is better than the 20/1 being offered during the week.

califano · 30-10-2015 8:55pm

Enzo's presence is killing the buzz in the studio.

finbarrk · 31-10-2015 4:58am

But can US odds be got in my local bookmakers shop?

Clampdown · 31-10-2015 5:48am

I love American Pharoah but I don't think he'll win this, with it being his last race and being a public darling I would have thought his odds would be more like Golden Horns in his race 8/13 or so. 5/6 is short but in the US most people only bet these big races and they would get killed if he wins it at 5/6.

Tonalist flopped last year but I think he can win this year, him and Smooth Roller are my 2 bets. I like Gleneagles who is 10/1 now but can't see him turning over the triple crown winner and the jockeys gold cup winner unless he really takes a liking to soft dirt.

I didn't expect Golden Horn to be so short but he is a horse that I'll keep backing and I'll take him at 8/13 before I take Pharaoh at 5/6. When Horn turns on the jets he blows other horses away which makes me less concerned about his bad draw.

Nulty · 31-10-2015 1:52pm

I've added a breeders Cup competition to today's Tipzer festivals. tipzer.net

tryfix · 31-10-2015 3:30pm

Not too wild about Golden Horn today, he's been on the go for a long time. Although the competition is weak enough his price doesn't reflect how tricky winning this afterthought of a race may be.

If he does win I'll be delighted and he will go down as an Iron Horse type legend for his soundness.

Mondialiste is an interesting runner in the Mile Turf.

Gregk961 · 31-10-2015 4:40pm

Has to be big doubts about Golden Horn and Legattisimo today, the odds quoted by the UK bookies look pretty short.

closcriobh · 31-10-2015 5:41pm

Very strong looking 6:10 race. Legatissimo a worthy favourite but Stephanie's Kitten looks a sound bet too at 10s

Al_Coholic · 31-10-2015 6:17pm

looked like Legatissimo had a bad start there and didnt look to really settle at all

naughto · 31-10-2015 6:18pm

closcriobh wrote: »

Very strong looking 6:10 race. Legatissimo a worthy favourite but Stephanie's Kitten looks a sound bet too at 10s

Great shout pity I was on the fav

Al_Coholic · 31-10-2015 6:23pm

Legatissimo at the start was like me trying to get up the stairs after a few pints

closcriobh · 31-10-2015 6:27pm

naughto wrote: »

Great shout pity I was on the fav

So was I. I underestimate my tipping too much

naughto · 31-10-2015 6:33pm

Al_Coholic wrote: »

looked like Legatissimo had a bad start there and didnt look to really settle at all

He stumbled at the gate and never got going again

the groutch · 31-10-2015 8:45pm

that's why I never bet big on US racing, races are won and lost in the first furlong with the constant strong gallop they go.
well that, and that half the horses are drugged up to the nostrils.

naughto · 31-10-2015 8:51pm

Have done found and Pharo in a double

BumperD · 31-10-2015 8:55pm

Don't fancy the horn.

naughto · 31-10-2015 9:02pm

Get in ya beauty
One part of the double in

DylanAFC · 31-10-2015 9:02pm

Found beats Golden Horn

Al_Coholic · 31-10-2015 9:02pm

delighted Found won....christ the ATR studio are sick lol

before the race they said ´we need Golden Horn to win for Britian and Europe'

Francie Barrett · 31-10-2015 9:03pm

Golden Horn looked very tired there. Think this trip was just one race too many, especially after Leopardstown and Longchamp.

klairondavis · 31-10-2015 9:03pm

I wonder will she be kept in training as a 4yo? Great filly.

BumperD · 31-10-2015 9:04pm

Listen listen listen listen listen listen listen. The lads the lads the lads.

Jon Stark · 31-10-2015 9:05pm

Atr saying Found was given Lasix while Horn given nothing.

No excuse anyway, when the Horn go to the front thought it was done and dusted. First time Horn failed to show the staying machine that he is.

BumperD · 31-10-2015 9:17pm

Interesting to see how Moore rides Gleneagles here

themandan6611 · 31-10-2015 9:37pm

jaysus, you would swear american p solved all of the worlds problems

BumperD · 31-10-2015 9:55pm

themandan6611 wrote: »

jaysus, you would swear american p solved all of the worlds problems

Maybe he will!

31-10-2015 9:57pm

Something amiss with Gleneagles???

That was poor

Gringo180 · 31-10-2015 9:58pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Something amiss with Gleneagles???

That was poor

Never got into it. Could be the different surface.

naughto · 31-10-2015 9:58pm

Double landed fuc1king delighted

BumperD · 31-10-2015 10:02pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Something amiss with Gleneagles???

That was poor

Surface likely cause. Still, not sure he would have touched the winner today, despite hating the trainers white teeth

Francie Barrett · 31-10-2015 10:03pm

Watching that replay - American Pharoah didn't just win, it battered the opposition. He looks like he could go again.

Jon Stark · 31-10-2015 10:04pm

Horn losing cost me a nice accumulator, Pharaoh made that a procession. Delighted for nag.

Nulty · 31-10-2015 10:10pm

the groutch wrote: »

that's why I never bet big on US racing, races are won and lost in the first furlong with the constant strong gallop they go.
well that, and that half the horses are drugged up to the nostrils.

The trick is not to bet on the other half!

:pac:

Straffan1979 · 31-10-2015 10:13pm

BumperD wrote: »

Listen listen listen listen listen listen listen. The lads the lads the lads.

Hilarious- its a pity theres not an Apres match Breeders cup special

tryfix · 31-10-2015 10:23pm

themandan6611 wrote: »

jaysus, you would swear american p solved all of the worlds problems

In fairness, both he and Golden Horn danced every dance in their 3yo careers unlike the mollycoddled Frankel and Gleneagles this year.

Tough as teak that American Pharoah is. A proper champion can take their racing and mix their trips.

Meath Centre Forward · 31-10-2015 10:29pm

Found surely stays in training. Deserved a big win like that. Interesting to see if she goes to Japan or Hong Kong. Maybe rested now and brought back for the Sheema Classic.

Golden Horn great season, just one ask too many.

Gleneagles never in it - people forget he's had a hard season. Despite not running for much of it he was ready to run for much of it.

I wonder how history will remember American Pharaoh? In time will he be mentioned with the likes of Secreteriat, Affirmed, Man O'War and Cigar. Triple Crown and BC Classic. It might never be done again.

Francie Barrett · 31-10-2015 10:46pm

tryfix wrote: »

In fairness, both he and Golden Horn danced every dance in their 3yo careers unlike the mollycoddled Frankel and Gleneagles this year.

Tough as teak that American Pharoah is. A proper champion can take their racing and mix their trips.

Agree completely. Golden Horn is a monster of a horse regardless of the result. I watched it at Leopardstown and afterwards in the parade ring I thought it looked knackered - for it to then go on to win at Longchamp in itself was a spectacular achievement. To think they could go to the breeders cup after such a season was just blatant over-confidence. Maybe they thought the horse could go onto eclipse Sea The Stars or something.

uxiant · 01-11-2015 12:59am

Found was comfortably beaten by Golden Horn twice before going on lasix and reversing the form at Keeneland. Of course there are other factors involved like Found getting a decent ride for once, how they took to the travelling etc but I can't help but think the fact she got lasix played a major part.

It's a shame to see a champion like Golden Horn beaten this way IMO.

Backstreet Moyes · 01-11-2015 1:45am

Golden Horn had a tough season and fair play a true champion. Great the connections went for this race, compared to Frankel who never traveled.

Clampdown · 01-11-2015 1:49pm

I was totally wrong about everything. Delighted for Pharaoh though he is an amazing horse, tough and talented. Really glad for Found as well. As usual any time I don't back Ryan Moore he wins but if I put a penny on him he can't find the line. I can't stand him because of that even though he seems like an alright bloke.

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