CPC acquired rights

sesswhat

I have a C1 licence for over 20 years and have worked as a 7.5 ton driver in the past.

However, I have not done any driving work since the CPC regulations came in and have not completed any CPC refresher training. Does anyone know if this would mean having to do the full training like a new licence holder?

Sofa King

I had to do catch up on mine as I did not do them.

I completed 8 courses at €49 a go this year.

I would imagine you would have to do the same.

sesswhat

Thanks for that Sofa King!

donkey balls

In order for you to drive legally on the road again you are required to sit 5 CPC courses,After which the CPC card will be issued to you the RSA might query why you have not sat the courses since they started just tell them that you were not driving for a living and there for did not have to sit the course.
A lad I use to work for was in the same predicament and he just sat the 5 courses over 2/3 weekends,Their nbr is 091-872600 if you need to ask them any questions you might also need to get a digi card as well.

bigroad

It depends on or what work you are going to do .There is no cpc needed unless you are driving for hire or reward.
Lets say a local builder wants you to drive his truck to collect supplies for him you do not need a cpc.
so look for that type of work if you want.

dreamers75

bigroad wrote: »

It depends on or what work you are going to do .There is no cpc needed unless you are driving for hire or reward.
Lets say a local builder wants you to drive his truck to collect supplies for him you do not need a cpc.
so look for that type of work if you want.

Please do not take this advice.

If you want to drive that truck you need CPC either you pay for it or your employer does.

Kristopherus

dreamers75 wrote: »

Please do not take this advice.

If you want to drive that truck you need CPC either you pay for it or your employer does.

Bigroad is correct. No CPC required if you are not driving professionally.

bigroad

I will say this again you do not need a cpc to drive a truck ,it depends on what type of work you want to do. end .

bigroad

dreamers75 wrote: »

Please do not take this advice.

If you want to drive that truck you need CPC either you pay for it or your employer does.

Do not try to give advice on something you no nothing about.

Silvera

I passed my C test in 1999 (and my C+E in 2014). I dont plan on driving for a living and have not undertaken CPC courses / test.

As regards 'aquired rights', if a person passed the C (or C1) test prior to 2008 they are not required to undertake the practical CPC test, or complete the CPC written test. They are, however, required to complete the relevant CPC modules if they wish to drive for hire or reward.

CPC not required if -

- Driving for private usage (e.g. vintage lorry)
- Moving your / employer's own goods / tools
- Emergency / Voluntary services driving (e.g. Ambulance, RNLI vehicles, etc)

kenmccarthy

Sofa king...why 8 modules??? Wouldn't it be 7 to bring you "up to speed"????assume you referring to bus cpc???
Isn't this a totally stupid system......do you mean you'd have to complete (suffer through) the same module twice to come up to speed?? Like could you do modules 1,2,3,4,5 and then do modules 1&2 the following week just to satisfy requirements??? Surely if you completed the 5 modules that would satisfy the RSA????
As regards the tachograph card you MUST have a digital tachograph card even if you only driving vehicle with analog tachograph

Sofa King

kenmccarthy wrote: »

Sofa king...why 8 modules??? Wouldn't it be 7 to bring you "up to speed"????assume you referring to bus cpc???
Isn't this a totally stupid system......do you mean you'd have to complete (suffer through) the same module twice to come up to speed?? Like could you do modules 1,2,3,4,5 and then do modules 1&2 the following week just to satisfy requirements??? Surely if you completed the 5 modules that would satisfy the RSA????
As regards the tachograph card you MUST have a digital tachograph card even if you only driving vehicle with analog tachograph

I should have made it more clear.

I did modules 1-6 (Truck & Bus) and then 1 & 2 to have me up the full requirement.

I received my CPC Card after compeleting 5 modules but I was not 'compliant' until I had everything up to date.

You can check your status on the RSA website:

https://cpc.rsa.ie/live/CPCDriverportal

donkey balls

Lads just say I stopped driving when the CPC crap started and I wanted to go back driving on a professional basis (Truck),I would only be required to sit the 5 modules nothing more or less so just say after 10 years I decided to go back driving I would not be required to sit 10 modules only 5 modules.

kenmccarthy

That's what I thought........Surely if you did the 5 you'd be "up to speed", but looking at sofa King's post it seems you get the cpc card on completion of the 5 BUT you're not fully compliant till you've completed all 7??????
Seems crazy that you could do all 5 modules in,say, a week and then you'd have to do/repeat 2 of the modules ( that you just done last week)just to satisfy the RSA and become "compliant"

donkey balls

I hold a full ADR licence which requires me to do a training course and exam every five years,If I decided to not renew the licence and let it go just say for ten years I would only required to sit the training course once not twice.

This is from the EU directive regarding the CPC regs.

CPC certifying periodic training

1. When a driver has completed the periodic training referred to in Article 7, the Member States' competent authorities or the approved training centre shall issue him or her with a CPC certifying periodic training.

2. The following drivers shall undergo a first course of periodic training:

(a) holders of a CPC as referred to in Article 6, within five years of the issue of that CPC;

(b) the drivers referred to in Article 4, within five years of the respective dates referred to in Article 14(2), in accordance with a timetable decided on by the Member States.

Member States may reduce or extend the periods of time referred to in (a) and (b), inter alia, so that they coincide with the date of expiry of the driving licence or so as to ensure the gradual introduction of periodic training. The period may not, however, be shorter than three years or longer than seven years.

3. A driver who has completed a first course of periodic training as referred to in paragraph 2 shall undergo periodic training every five years, before the end of the period of validity of the CPC certifying periodic training.

4. Holders of the CPC as referred to in Article 6 or the CPC as referred to in paragraph 1 of this Article and the drivers referred to in Article 4 who have ceased pursuit of the occupation and do not meet the requirements of paragraphs 1, 2 and 3, shall undergo a course of periodic training before resuming pursuit of the occupation.

5. Drivers undertaking the carriage of goods or passengers by road who have completed courses of periodic training for one of the licence categories provided for in Article 5(2) and (3) shall be exempt from the obligation to undergo further periodic training for another of the categories provided for in those paragraphs.

This is taking from the EU Directive nbr 1 states that when a driver completes a periodic training period i.e 5 years the driver should be issued a CPC card from the competent authority.

AlekSmart

bigroad wrote: »

It depends on or what work you are going to do .There is no cpc needed unless you are driving for hire or reward.
Lets say a local builder wants you to drive his truck to collect supplies for him you do not need a cpc.
so look for that type of work if you want.

Be careful on this aspect.

If the builder were to drive the truck himself,then,as that would be secondary to HIS work as a builder,HE would not require a DCPC.

However,if he pays the OP to drive the same truck to collect the same materials,then the OP WILL require a DCPC

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

In the course of someone’s work, provided that driving the vehicle is not the driver’s principal occupation, eg, a plumber using a light truck to transport their materials.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/CPC/CPC_info_booklet_Apr_11.pdf

Vehicles carrying materials or equipment that the driver uses as part of their work, as long as driving the vehicle is not the driver’s main activity.

Now,what the situation would be for somebody on a Job-Bridge scheme is potentially an interesting one....since there would be no "Reward" from an employer,it could be argued the DCPC requirement would not stand ?