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iwillhtfu

Hi folks,

I finally have to admit defeat and give into the poxy hard water I have in my area.

So the plan is to get a water softener installed and replace the gas boiler :mad:

Could any of ye recommend a good gas boiler (currently a sealed system) and water softener?

I've enquired in a couple of places and have been recommend an ideal logic 24+ gas boiler the house is a fairly standard 4 bed nothing massive.

Is this boiler any good? I'm aware that some folks prefer to work on a particular brand which is fine but I'd like to get feedback on a good boiler as opposed to ease of installation.

There's 6 of us in total in the house but mainly young kids. I'm not sure which water softener to get but I'd rather one of the under sink ones I think Clack was the name mentioned to me. Are they any good?

I've looked at a massive number of sites but I may aswell be looking into a field to be honest.

Also our current boiler is split into 2 zones upstairs/down stairs with stats on the wall. The water isn't separate so it just heats when we have the boiler on. I'm guessing I could separate this from the heating with a bit of plumbing and wiring but I more than likely will leave as is.

Thanks for any info it's much appreciated.

Wearb

Hard water shouldn't damage your boiler unless you had other problems with your plumbing.

iwillhtfu

Wearb wrote: »

Hard water shouldn't damage your boiler unless you had other problems with your plumbing.

There's a part gone in the boiler that when priced isn't a whole lot less than a new boiler. I can get a fairly decent price reduction on a few boiler makes but I'd rather get a good boiler than an over priced one with a sizeable discount if you get me.

Dtp1979

iwillhtfu wrote: »

There's a part gone in the boiler that when priced isn't a whole lot less than a new boiler. I can get a fairly decent price reduction on a few boiler makes but I'd rather get a good boiler than an over priced one with a sizeable discount if you get me.

Ideal logic is the last boiler I'd fit to be honest. There popular becayse they're quick to fit and very little commissioning needs to be done.
Viessmann Ariston or wolf boilers are what is fit. Great control ability with them and very reliable

iwillhtfu

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Ideal logic is the last boiler I'd fit to be honest. There popular becayse they're quick to fit and very little commissioning needs to be done.
Viessmann Ariston or wolf boilers are what is fit. Great control ability with them and very reliable

Interesting. I was told to steer clear of Ariston boilers. I'll research the others a bit.

Is their something profoundly wrong with Ideal logic even if there is little set up once installed?

Dtp1979

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Interesting. I was told to steer clear of Ariston boilers. I'll research the others a bit.

Is their something profoundly wrong with Ideal logic even if there is little set up once installed?

Guys are afraid of Ariston boilers because they actually have to know what they're doing when setting them up.
With an ideal logic, you turn it on and test fumes
I have had several problems with ideal heat exchangers and I've seen 2 burst. They're the Aldi version of boilers in my opinion

roy rodgers

I wouldn't mind there was only a 100 euro of a difference between a logic and a Worcester at the moment for piece of mind I'd be going with the Worcester.
The cheapest boiler out there we found was the ferroli! Half the price of the Worcester but also half as good!

iwillhtfu

roy rodgers wrote: »

I wouldn't mind there was only a 100 euro of a difference between a logic and a Worcester at the moment for piece of mind I'd be going with the Worcester.
The cheapest boiler out there we found was the ferroli! Half the price of the Worcester but also half as good!

How much does a worcester go for?

iwillhtfu

So just to update this I went with the Worcester Bosch Greenstar 24 (I think it was) so hopefully it does the job.

On the water softener front I've been told clack is the one to go for and a 5 stage reverse osmosis kit. That's working out at €700 for parts I'll fit it myself as it's supposed to be fairly straight forward.

A nice bill before christmas but should be money invested well.

Dtp1979

iwillhtfu wrote: »

So just to update this I went with the Worcester Bosch Greenstar 24 (I think it was) so hopefully it does the job.

On the water softener front I've been told clack is the one to go for and a 5 stage reverse osmosis kit. That's working out at €700 for parts I'll fit it myself as it's supposed to be fairly straight forward.

A nice bill before christmas but should be money invested well.

Make sure you get your system powerflushed before the boiler is installed

iwillhtfu

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Make sure you get your system powerflushed before the boiler is installed

Thanks that's part of the install afaik. Is there a particular inhibitor that should be used? I'm just curious so I can ask the plumber if it was used at least look like I know what I'm talking about.

hatchman

iwillhtfu wrote:

On the water softener front I've been told clack is the one to go for and a 5 stage reverse osmosis kit. That's working out at €700 for parts I'll fit it myself as it's supposed to be fairly straight forward.

+1 for clack ....super piece of kit !

Dtp1979

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Thanks that's part of the install afaik. Is there a particular inhibitor that should be used? I'm just curious so I can ask the plumber if it was used at least look like I know what I'm talking about.

Yes. For cleaners and inhibitors, use only Fernox, kamco, adey, or sentenil. Anything else is utter rubbish.
Make sure your system is cleaned using a Machine and ideal with magnets too.
It should take 5-6 hours depending on system size. That's only the Powerflushing side of it.

bazbrady

i have a clack softener installed by celtic water solutions,very happy with it,its a ws1c1 with a fairly large tanks,basically i fitted the biggest i could afford and have it in my garage as apposed to undersink,it just takes up too much room ,if at all possible i recommend fitting a larger system in an outhouse,your rembrane will last much longer and will need less regens as its bigger .on the ro system i put in a pumped proline 5 stage system.this system will also last longer(filter change) by having the softened water coming into it as apposed to hard water.this is the advantage of having the whole house softened,the ro then removes salt residue and other impurities for drinking water.if i was doing it again i would pick a different ro system like this one (Aquaphor Morion RO).its much smaller than standard ro systems(easier for undersink fitting) ,less water waste and a friend has it a raves about it compared with his old system.my proline system takes up the whole undersink cabinet.Also on the worchester boiler you got make sure you have a mag filter on the return to the boiler ,i have two members of my family living in soft water areas with condensing gas boilers and the ****e that is on the mag filter after 8 months is unreal ,both houses had full power flushed systems.its especially important the water is cleanish due to the heat exchanger size on modern condensing boilerts so ive been told.

iwillhtfu

Thanks for that.

On the water softener I'll have to go with an undersink option as it's where the main incomer is and other than the utility which is full to the brim as it is I've nowhere else to put it. I've allowed for the extra salt I just hope regular regens doesn'tean I'll need to replace parts sooner.

I'm actually considering getting celtic water to do the install they seem sound to deal with and the best price I got which included installation.

How does the mag filter work? Does it go onto one of the pipes after the boiler? Is it a big unit?

Thanks again

Dtp1979

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Thanks for that.

On the water softener I'll have to go with an undersink option as it's where the main incomer is and other than the utility which is full to the brim as it is I've nowhere else to put it. I've allowed for the extra salt I just hope regular regens doesn'tean I'll need to replace parts sooner.

I'm actually considering getting celtic water to do the install they seem sound to deal with and the best price I got which included installation.

How does the mag filter work? Does it go onto one of the pipes after the boiler? Is it a big unit?

Thanks again

The mag filter MUST go on the boiler return