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College teams playing in county championships

  • 26-10-2015 11:20am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    With the club championships in full swing all over the country at the moment, theres some info im looking for.

    Is/has there been many colleges team who have won championships? Aside from UCC and UCD who obviously have quite a few.

    Have the likes of UL or NUIG ever won championships? Any other counties where colleges have played?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭ commonsense.


    Off the top of my head, UCC have several Dublin senior hurling titles and UL have senior football title or titles in Limerick. Back in the day, the old Thomond College won Limerick senion football title in mid 70s and went on to win 'club' all Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭ nice_guy80


    cms88 wrote: »
    With the club championships in full swing all over the country at the moment, theres some info im looking for.

    Is/has there been many colleges team who have won championships? Aside from UCC and UCD who obviously have quite a few.

    Have the likes of UL or NUIG ever won championships? Any other counties where colleges have played?
    Dochas Eirinn, aka St Pats college still play in the Dublin senior championship afaik
    AND have won a few, back in the day


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,101 klairondavis


    The Military College won the Kildare SFC in 1956 and the Kildare SHC in 1957, 1958 and 1962.

    NUI Maynooth won a Kildare U21FC in 2001.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭✭ crazyman


    Back in the early 2000's WIT entered a team in the Waterford championship for 2 seasons. They didn't win a game and dropped out of the championship after the 2 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 786 ✭✭✭ RGS


    Back in the 1956 a player won two county football titles in two different counties.

    One in Dublin with Erins Hope, which was St Pats, and one in Cork with St. Finnbarrs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    The Military College won the Kildare SFC in 1956 and the Kildare SHC in 1957, 1958 and 1962.

    NUI Maynooth won a Kildare U21FC in 2001.

    This actually reminds me of another question. Is there many counties were Army or Garda teams have won championships?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭ closeline


    RGS wrote: »
    Back in the 1956 a player won two county football titles in two different counties.

    One in Dublin with Erins Hope, which was St Pats, and one in Cork with St. Finnbarrs.

    Happened twice in 2011, Johnny Buckley and another fella Casey (can't think of his first name) won Cork championship with UCC. They then won Kerry championship with Dr.Crokes and then in fact won the Munster with Crokes beating UCC in the final. Incredible really


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭ Boom__Boom


    closeline wrote: »
    Happened twice in 2011, Johnny Buckley and another fella Casey (can't think of his first name) won Cork championship with UCC. They then won Kerry championship with Dr.Crokes and then in fact won the Munster with Crokes beating UCC in the final. Incredible really

    Daithi Casey


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,523 spurscormac


    closeline wrote: »
    Happened twice in 2011, Johnny Buckley and another fella Casey (can't think of his first name) won Cork championship with UCC. They then won Kerry championship with Dr.Crokes and then in fact won the Munster with Crokes beating UCC in the final. Incredible really

    And yet a team can be thrown out of a county championship for fielding a fella who played for some club in the US while on a J1 in the summer.

    Kinda ridiculous really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭ Gael85


    The Military College won the Kildare SFC in 1956 and the Kildare SHC in 1957, 1958 and 1962.

    NUI Maynooth won a Kildare U21FC in 2001.

    Did Alan Brogan and Barry Cahill play on that Maynooth team?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭ aidan24326


    NUIG have conceded a walkover in the Galway football championship for the second year in a row. Even when fielding a team in previous years they were just cobbling together a team and not really taking it seriously so I think their participation should end.

    In general I don't think third level colleges belong in club championships. I agree with their involvement in the pre-season inter-county competitions though, O'Byrne Cup, FBD League and so on. That has added to the competiveness of those competitions and for the colleges themselves it's great preparation for the Sigerson. They have no place at club level though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    This is an ''issue'' in Cork again with UCC. Is it an issue or is it just clubs getting the hump?

    UCC haven't won a SHC since 1970 and cant have more than 3/4 in football in that space of time.

    Dublin clubs had the same ''issue'' with UCD, while i think a Limerick football final in the 90's wasn't played as a club objected to playing UL


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    cms88 wrote: »
    This actually reminds me of another question. Is there many counties were Army or Garda teams have won championships?



    The Garda hurling team won Dublin SHC several times in 30s and 40s.

    Rule then was you had to play in county you lived so Dublin for years had hopsided county championships and county teams as they were dominated by great players from likes of Kilkenny and Tipp. Almost killed interest in GAA as there was no local connection.

    Same applied to UCD who won SHC in noughties with teams that on one occasion had complete set of AI underage winners. Was a joke. Babs managed them for a few years and made no secret of his joy in seeing them beat likes of Vinnies and Craobh who were honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭ downthemiddle


    RGS wrote: »
    Back in the 1956 a player won two county football titles in two different counties.

    One in Dublin with Erins Hope, which was St Pats, and one in Cork with St. Finnbarrs.
    The Hopes were the first ever Dublin champions. The last won the Dublin SFC in 1978.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    There is story about Hopes player who later became GAA journalist - might have been Downey but alzheimers kicking in.

    They were playing Vinnies one day in 60s and Downey or whoever it was stood back to admire a point from Dessie Foley.

    Next thing was the brother Lar charging into him and roaring "You won't win our fkn championship."!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭ downthemiddle


    Vinnies won every title from '48 to '62 bar 1956 when The Hopes beat them. They had a team that included Tom Long, Fintan Walsh and Mattie McDonagh.


    http://www.bodengaa.ie/_fileupload/1956%20Football%20Final%20-%20Fintan%20Walsh.pdf

    Fintan Walsh won two county titles that year, winning a junior in Laois too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭ big_drive


    cms88 wrote: »
    This is an ''issue'' in Cork again with UCC. Is it an issue or is it just clubs getting the hump?

    UCC haven't won a SHC since 1970 and cant have more than 3/4 in football in that space of time.

    Dublin clubs had the same ''issue'' with UCD, while i think a Limerick football final in the 90's wasn't played as a club objected to playing UL

    It's just an issue in Cork at moment because some of the bigger clubs don't like being beaten and would look for any excuse


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    big_drive wrote: »
    It's just an issue in Cork at moment because some of the bigger clubs don't like being beaten and would look for any excuse


    A college team is not a proper club. Nemo and Barrs, like their Dublin equivalents, invest huge time into kids and developing teams. They are part of their communities. How can you possibly claim that a college team of virtual full time athletes like UCC or UCD or DCU are the same?

    UCD by the way almost destroyed Dublin club championships. Thousands were turned away from finals in last 5 years or more. Club championships are huge thing now again. I remember UCD beating Vinnies and Id say no more than 70/80 people watched the presentations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    So are UCC nolonger an issue?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭ feargale


    I can understand the concerns here about say UCD and NUIG skewing or screwing a county championship. However I think there is another side to this where weak hurling counties are concerned. Would a third level team in Athlone or Letterkenny or Carlow or Tralee not add something to the county championship, maybe even set a standard for other teams to follow?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭ nice_guy80


    feargale wrote: »
    I can understand the concerns here about say UCD and NUIG skewing or screwing a county championship. However I think there is another side to this where weak hurling counties are concerned. Would a third level team in Athlone or Letterkenny or Carlow or Tralee not add something to the county championship, maybe even set a standard for other teams to follow?

    as in, Athlone IT enter the Westmeath championship?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    feargale wrote: »
    I can understand the concerns here about say UCD and NUIG skewing or screwing a county championship. However I think there is another side to this where weak hurling counties are concerned. Would a third level team in Athlone or Letterkenny or Carlow or Tralee not add something to the county championship, maybe even set a standard for other teams to follow?

    Iv always thought in theory it's a good idea, but not sure if it would work. As players would have to be committed. Tralee IT for example have a lot of fellas from Limrick Clare etc normally. Would they comment during the college off season? Plus you'll always have clubs who'll get the hump when they start to get beaten


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭ Bonniedog


    From a Dublin perspective, UCD were total disaster for county championships. You had teams full of inter county players playing local teams. Hurlers were managed by Babs who had total contempt for the clubs he played against. Got to stage where no-one went to games. Now, Dublin championships are sell outs from quarter finals on. University teams are not clubs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭ feargale


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    as in, Athlone IT enter the Westmeath championship?

    Correct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭ nice_guy80


    feargale wrote: »
    Correct.

    I doubt the foreign visiting students there over the summer months would make much of an impact in the Westmeath Senior Championship...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭ Bleating Lamb


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    From a Dublin perspective, UCD were total disaster for county championships. You had teams full of inter county players playing local teams. Hurlers were managed by Babs who had total contempt foir the clubs he played against. Got to stage where no-one went to games. Now, Dublin championships are sell outs from quarter finals on. University teams are not clubs.

    So are College teams gone out of Dublin Championships now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭ cms88


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I doubt the foreign visiting students there over the summer months would make much of an impact in the Westmeath Senior Championship...

    It would be the same as any other college who play in a county championship. Pretty much none of the foregin students during the summer played with UCC last year


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭ feargale


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I doubt the foreign visiting students there over the summer months would make much of an impact in the Westmeath Senior Championship...

    I doubt there would be many Chinese or Zimbabweans on the college hurling team.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,724 ✭✭✭ nice_guy80


    feargale wrote: »
    I doubt there would be many Chinese or Zimbabweans on the college hurling team.

    I don't know where they'd get a team in mid july to play a championship game on a Sunday afternoon then..


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