Holiday for young thug

Hitchens · 23-10-2015 12:16pm #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teenager-accused-of-possession-of-shotgun-and-dealing-drugs-asks-judge-for-passport-so-he-can-go-on-sun-holiday-34134719.html

This would annoy you only for the long weekend and the extra hour in the scratcher!

This country is ruined for the ordinary person

Stranger Danger · 23-10-2015 12:20pm

*Insert outrage here*

Flatzie_poo · 23-10-2015 12:22pm

Mr Nolan is charged with unlawful possession of a Remington semi-automatic single-barrelled shotgun.

Ok... well maybe he was a farmer/hunter who got unlucky with bad documentation...

He is also charged with having cocaine, heroin and cannabis with intent to sell or supply.

Nope. He's just a scrote.

"He is a young man of no means - they are not a family of any wealth," she told Judge McHugh.

Except for the ability to afford sun holidays...

Roger Hassenforder · 23-10-2015 12:26pm

but...but..he's innocent...

davo2001 · 23-10-2015 12:27pm

Getting free legal aid (paid by me and other tax payers) and still able to go on a f^&king sun holiday.

Great little country we live in.

/rant.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 23-10-2015 12:28pm

He's not coming back. The judge should be jailed in his stead

Larbre34 · 23-10-2015 12:28pm

Lol, no evidence he's a flight risk, except the flight you yourself are putting him on Judge????!!!!

Sorry, judges need to be straightjacketed to a set of norms demanded by the law abiding of society, because clearly they dwell on a different planet. If their discretion cannot be trusted to perform in the role for which it is entrusted, it should be diminished.

I was hoping the recent high profile crimes committed by bailees might begin to change things but i wont hold my breath. As said above, this place is ****ed for the ordinary person.

Birneybau · 23-10-2015 12:28pm

Arra, disadvantaged, hard life, blah, blah, blah

Arbiter of Good Taste · 23-10-2015 12:30pm

Am I right that half of Dublin's underworld has absconded to Spain as they cant be extradited.

Jesus wept.........

The King of Moo · 23-10-2015 12:37pm

Meh.

He hasn't been convicted of anything, he hasn't been judged to be a flight risk, and his grandmother is apparently paying for the holiday.

I don't see why you'd work up the energy to get annoyed about this.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-10-2015 12:41pm

He must be the worst drug dealer in Clondalkin if he is "a young man of no means"

smash · 23-10-2015 12:41pm

This crap right here... "He is a young man of no means - they are not a family of any wealth" needs to stop. He's selling all classes of drugs so he does fcuking have money. Just because the revenue don't see it, it doesn't mean it's not there!

Robsweezie · 23-10-2015 1:29pm

Plus he's got his career to fall back on, not to mention a mixtape " slime season 2" coming out next week. Well for some

vicwatson · 23-10-2015 1:35pm

What a twat of a judge

nelly17 · 23-10-2015 1:36pm

He seems like a nice chap

Kylo Ren · 23-10-2015 1:37pm

He should be working on his album, not taking a holiday.

For shame, Young Thug.

VisibleGorilla · 23-10-2015 1:46pm

Wouldn't annoy me at all, why would it annoy you, OP?

He is currently an innocent man - is this fact lost on you?

The judge does not believe him to be a flight risk - Someone who has the intimate facts of the case.

If he were to abscond a European arrest warrant would be put out for him and he'd be brought back quite quickly.

Why is the point of the thread?

alcea · 23-10-2015 1:49pm

Ah sure the Judge should have given him a few bob spendin' money for his holiday, seeing as how he is a man of no means.

Flatzie_poo · 23-10-2015 2:03pm

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Wouldn't annoy me at all, why would it annoy you, OP?

Free legal aid, whilst his family can afford this holiday for a start. they should pay some cost.

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

He is currently an innocent man - is this fact lost on you?

Nice choice of words.

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

The judge does not believe him to be a flight risk - Someone who has the intimate facts of the case.

The Gardai felt otherwise... someone else who has intimate facts.

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Why is the point of the thread?

To have a discussion on opinion. That's the whole point of this site in fact.

LDN_Irish · 23-10-2015 2:10pm

Keno wrote: »

He should be working on his album, not taking a holiday.

For shame, Young Thug.

Young Thug doesn't work on albums. His ABLAMS WUDURDBLORK FOR HEEM.

That's me attempting to write "albums work for him" the way he, erm, I dunno, raps? Sings? Talks? I'm quite unsure of what it is he's doing.

VisibleGorilla · 23-10-2015 2:25pm

Flatzie_poo wrote: »

Free legal aid, whilst his family can afford this holiday for a start. they should pay some cost.
Nice choice of words.
The Gardai felt otherwise... someone else who has intimate facts.
To have a discussion on opinion. That's the whole point of this site in fact.

His family could be millionaires and he would still get free legal aid, why should they pay anything? Are they currently suspects as well?

The Gardai are hardly impartial in this case are they?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 2:33pm

I want a semi-automatic double barrel shotgun.

23-10-2015 2:40pm

Boards often reminds me of someone who use to buy a certain English newspaper that at the time had a very anti Irish bias, they got the paper just to be outraged by its anti Irish bias.

alcea · 23-10-2015 2:41pm

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

His family could be millionaires and he would still get free legal aid, why should they pay anything? Are they currently suspects as well?

The Gardai are hardly impartial in this case are they?

His family are willing to put their hands in their pockets for a holiday, surely IF he was innocent they would be putting their hands in their pockets for his defence instead.

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 2:55pm

alcea wrote: »

His family are willing to put their hands in their pockets for a holiday, surely IF he was innocent they would be putting their hands in their pockets for his defence instead.

Why? Do you you demand to pay for OAPs on the bus "because" they have a bus pass?

TomBtheGoat · 23-10-2015 2:58pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Boards often reminds me of someone who use to buy a certain English newspaper that at the time had a very anti Irish bias, they got the paper just to be outraged by its anti Irish bias.

Wow, you have the ability to tar everyone with the same brush. Well done you.

alcea · 23-10-2015 3:05pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why? Do you you demand to pay for OAPs on the bus "because" they have a bus pass?

Is a persons innocence is not more important to both the accused and his family than a holiday?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 3:08pm

alcea wrote: »

Is a persons innocence is not more important to both the accused and his family than a holiday?

Who knows and who cares? He's getting free legal aid so why would his family pay for it when they don't have to?
Do you insist on paying full whack when there's a discount at the supermarket?

alcea · 23-10-2015 3:12pm

Dan, I think there are too many discounts in the Justice supermarket, I wonder how long the sale will last?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 3:16pm

alcea wrote: »

Dan, I think there are too many discounts in the Justice supermarket, I wonder how long the sale will last?

Thanks nice.
Now, why should relatives be paying this man's legal fees?

thadg · 23-10-2015 3:23pm

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Wouldn't annoy me at all, why would it annoy you, OP?

He is currently an innocent man - is this fact lost on you?

The judge does not believe him to be a flight risk - Someone who has the intimate facts of the case.

If he were to abscond a European arrest warrant would be put out for him and he'd be brought back quite quickly.

Why is the point of the thread?

are you a judge or a drug dealer be any chance??

if he was supplying your 15 or 16 year old child you might have a different view

you are on about an arrest warrant, is that not more wastage of tax payers money.:rolleyes:

these thugs need to be dealt with firmly and not have cases dragged on

alcea · 23-10-2015 3:25pm

So are you saying that the taxpayer should pay, given that a lot of taxpayers in this country can't afford to go on holiday?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 3:46pm

alcea wrote: »

So are you saying that the taxpayer should pay, given that a lot of taxpayers in this country can't afford to go on holiday?

You are making no sense.
This man was found to qualify for legal aid.
His family paid for him to have a holiday.
Any chance you'd show us where the contradiction here is?
So if anybody you know is up in court you should be expected to pay their legal fees? Barmy idea TBH.

mynamejeff · 23-10-2015 3:48pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Thanks nice.
Now, why should relatives be paying this man's legal fees?

why should we ?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 3:55pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

why should we ?

Because he qualifies for free legal aid? i.e. he can't afford it and has yet to be found guilty of anything.
I suppose you reckon only the people your crystal ball tells you are innocent should get free legal aid?

mynamejeff · 23-10-2015 4:02pm

what is he innocent of ? he was caught red handed with a shot gun ?

not to mention the cocaine and heroin and cannabis he had

do you believe him over the gardai who arrested him

alcea · 23-10-2015 4:03pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You are making no sense.
This man was found to qualify for legal aid.
His family paid for him to have a holiday.
Any chance you'd show us where the contradiction here is?
So if anybody you know is up in court you should be expected to pay their legal fees? Barmy idea TBH.

Ah now you are the one who is not making any sense.

His family have found that a holiday is more important than his innocence.

Anyone who is able to find funds from any source to go on holiday, should be made to pay something towards their legal costs.

mynamejeff · 23-10-2015 4:08pm

dan must be busy over in the other thread insisting that the ira and the shinners arent connected

LDN_Irish · 23-10-2015 4:08pm

alcea wrote: »

His family have found that a holiday is more important than his innocence.

What does that even mean? The holiday has no bearing on his innocence. He's either innocent or he's not regardless of whether he's go on holiday.

Anyone who is able to find funds from any source to go on holiday, should be made to pay something towards their legal costs.

Hahaha

alcea · 23-10-2015 4:14pm

LDN_Irish wrote: »

What does that even mean? The holiday has no bearing on his innocence. He's either innocent or he's not regardless of whether he's go on holiday.

Hahaha

:D:D Back at ya!:D

If he can find the resources to go on holiday, he can find the resources for his defence.

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 4:45pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

dan must be busy over in the other thread insisting that the ira and the shinners arent connected

Here's where you have the opportunity to prove you aren't a clueless liar by quoting where I have said that.
Off with ya...

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 4:47pm

alcea wrote: »

Ah now you are the one who is not making any sense.

His family have found that a holiday is more important than his innocence.

Anyone who is able to find funds from any source to go on holiday, should be made to pay something towards their legal costs.

I've this sneaking suspicion you aren't able to understand the question, but I'll try once more anyway: Why should his family pay for anything? And if he's getting legal aid anyway, how would them insisting on paying make any difference to what they think is more important?
You have made zero sense trying to claim these things either are or should be connected. And no, I don't expect you will either.

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 4:49pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

what is he innocent of ? he was caught red handed with a shot gun ?

not to mention the cocaine and heroin and cannabis he had

do you believe him over the gardai who arrested him

This is the guy whining about the IRA when he demands people be convicted solely because the Gardai have arrested them... not a big fan of the legal system there jeff? Judge Dredd, I AM THE LAW, is more your thing?

alcea · 23-10-2015 4:49pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I've this sneaking suspicion you aren't able to understand the question, but I'll try once more anyway: Why should his family pay for anything? And if he's getting legal aid anyway, how would them insisting on paying make any difference to what they think is more important?
You have made zero sense trying to claim these things either are or should be connected. And no, I don't expect you will either.

I will refer to post #40.

Eugene Norman · 23-10-2015 4:55pm

So imagine a plutocrat developer gets legal aid after being declared bankrupt. After the trial he gets a "gift" from family. Would the positions here be reversed?

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 4:55pm

alcea wrote: »

I will refer to post #40.

And if his family refuses to pay for his legal fees? Who are you to tell them what to do with THEIR money? It isn't his money, it's theirs.
So you'd be happy if somebody you knew turned up at your door demanding you pay their legal fees, because, get this, "they know you"? Apparently you would.

mynamejeff · 23-10-2015 5:00pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

This is the guy whining about the IRA when he demands people be convicted solely because the Gardai have arrested them... not a big fan of the legal system there jeff? Judge Dredd, I AM THE LAW, is more your thing?

Best go back and read that again dan ,Im whinging about nothing nor demanding nothing.

the fact that he was caught red handed holding the shotgun would seem to suggest that he is indeed guilty or would you disagree ?

drugs issue aside , but if he cant make money selling drugs then he really does have problems lol

alcea · 23-10-2015 5:07pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And if his family refuses to pay for his legal fees? Who are you to tell them what to do with THEIR money? It isn't his money, it's theirs.
So you'd be happy if somebody you knew turned up at your door demanding you pay their legal fees, because, get this, "they know you"? Apparently you would.

I am not telling anyone what to do with their money. But this case really does show what little regard there is for the law.

If a member of my family turned up on my doorstep telling me they were in need of help with legal costs, I most certainly not be saying "a feck that, you can get legal aid, but I'll tell you what I pay for you to go on holiday instead"

The King of Moo · 23-10-2015 5:38pm

"If his granny can afford a few days in Spain, she can afford expensive legal fees."

Dan_Solo · 23-10-2015 8:18pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

the fact that he was caught red handed holding the shotgun would seem to suggest that he is indeed guilty or would you disagree ?

So you can decide he is guilty in advance of any court proceedings? Neat trick. No legal fees at all. Great idea.
Why does it make any difference what you or I think? Unless you're a judge yourself?

mynamejeff · 23-10-2015 9:15pm

the link from the first post seems to be down but wasnt that man walking down the road with the gun in his hand ?

tell me how he is innocent please ?

the free legal aid system in Ireland is a joke,

i know a man who owns two houses multiple cars dozens of pigeons and can afford to be in the pub night after night and still he gets free legal aid again and again . The solicitors omit information change and flat out lie to get the cert signed by the judge because it is easier to get paid from the system than some drug dealer or scumbag thief.

Holiday for young thug

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