Paramilitary Groups in Northern Ireland

Godge

The Northern Secretary has released the report into Paramilitary Groups in Northern Ireland.


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/paramilitary-groups-in-northern-ireland-20-oct-2015.pdf


http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1020/736080-north-report/

"Ms Villiers said that all the main paramilitary groups which were operating during the Troubles are still in existence."

"However, Ms Villiers said that members of all paramilitary groups have carried out murders since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement."


It is quite shocking that 17 years after the Good Friday Agreement and the society of Northern Ireland is still such a long way from normality. I am very surprised at the level of ongoing activity listed in the report. There will be questions for all the leaders of the main political parties up North and it doesn't look like the report is of much help to the efforts to save the Stormont Assembly. If it had whitewashed SF's links to the IRA, it might have helped but when the report claims that it is believed that the Provisional Army Council still exercises control over Sinn Fein, it is difficult to see how any of the unionist parties can re-enter government. (I will leave discussion on the implications for the South to other fora and threads)

Are there other views on the report? Helpful if people used references to what is in the report to back up their views.

shugy

Godge wrote: »

The Northern Secretary has released the report into Paramilitary Groups in Northern Ireland.


https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/paramilitary-groups-in-northern-ireland-20-oct-2015.pdf


http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1020/736080-north-report/

"Ms Villiers said that all the main paramilitary groups which were operating during the Troubles are still in existence."

"However, Ms Villiers said that members of all paramilitary groups have carried out murders since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement."


It is quite shocking that 17 years after the Good Friday Agreement and the society of Northern Ireland is still such a long way from normality. I am very surprised at the level of ongoing activity listed in the report. There will be questions for all the leaders of the main political parties up North and it doesn't look like the report is of much help to the efforts to save the Stormont Assembly. If it had whitewashed SF's links to the IRA, it might have helped but when the report claims that it is believed that the Provisional Army Council still exercises control over Sinn Fein, it is difficult to see how any of the unionist parties can re-enter government. (I will leave discussion on the implications for the South to other fora and threads)

Are there other views on the report? Helpful if people used references to what is in the report to back up their views.

The day is not here to ever do away with the IRA army council, it will and shall be there until theres a united Ireland. This is the British government they are dealing with, possibly the dirtiest slimiest of them all worldwide. Yes I agree the time for war needed to be set aside for a more political route but if the time comes again for arms, we have a group of men with the will, the experience and the arms to start up again and rightly so. Do you honestly think that Gerry and Marty would just give everything away and disband the IRA totally, if you think that then you sir are delusional! The road to a UI has many more twists and turns before it finally happens!

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Godge

shugy wrote: »

The day is not here to ever do away with the IRA army council, it will and shall be there until theres a united Ireland. This is the British government they are dealing with, possibly the dirtiest slimiest of them all worldwide. Yes I agree the time for war needed to be set aside for a more political route but if the time comes again for arms, we have a group of men with the will, the experience and the arms to start up again and rightly so. Do you honestly think that Gerry and Marty would just give everything away and disband the IRA totally, if you think that then you sir are delusional! The road to a UI has many more twists and turns before it finally happens!

This is seriously worrying. If you are right then the peace process is only a tactic on the part of Gerry Adams and SF/IRA and that they do not accept the democratically expressed wishes of the people of these two islands.

How can anyone vote for such a party opposed to the notion of democracy?

oscarBravo

shugy wrote: »

...if the time comes again for arms, we have a group of men with the will, the experience and the arms to start up again and rightly so.

"They haven't gone away, you know."

maccored

Godge wrote: »

It is quite shocking that 17 years after the Good Friday Agreement....

... that the British STILL haven't transferred financial control to Belfast - it is a bit mad alright.

Full Marx

Yet another "revelation" which will alter no ones opinion. Even if it is true those who care about it already thought that Adams, McGuinness, Gerry Kelly etc ARE the army council... so who cares?

DarkyHughes

Are the old IRA & the IPLO still in existence?

DarkyHughes

Or what about the Catholic Reaction Force, Protestant Action Force, IPLOBB & South Armagh Republican Action Force?

They really do have the "force" up there.

end of the road

Godge wrote: »

This is seriously worrying. If you are right then the peace process is only a tactic on the part of Gerry Adams and SF/IRA and that they do not accept the democratically expressed wishes of the people of these two islands.

How can anyone vote for such a party opposed to the notion of democracy?

sf are not opposed to democracy. they are rightly opposed to the traitors who would sell out their country however

DarkyHughes

Godge wrote: »

This is seriously worrying. If you are right then the peace process is only a tactic on the part of Gerry Adams and SF/IRA and that they do not accept the democratically expressed wishes of the people of these two islands.

How can anyone vote for such a party opposed to the notion of democracy?

Bunch of far-right gibberish post.

SF signed up to the Mitchell Principals. They never viewed the GFA as internal solution only a temprary solution they only thing they used it as a tactic for was to bring about peace when the DUP was totally opposed it. The DUP were held out as long as they could in the hope that they might get enough mass support & would be able to bring back the Orange Fascist State that treated minorties as second class citizens.
DUP candidate John Smyth was charged with making pipe bombs related to various attacks for the "Real UFF". In April 2013 he was jailed for three years for his role in one of these pipe attacks whic was planting a pipe bomb on the windowsill of a Polish couple's house in Steeple Road estate, Antrim

How can people vote for such a undemocratic, racsict & quasi-fascist party like the DUP?

DarkyHughes

shugy wrote: »

The day is not here to ever do away with the IRA army council, it will and shall be there until theres a united Ireland. This is the British government they are dealing with, possibly the dirtiest slimiest of them all worldwide. Yes I agree the time for war needed to be set aside for a more political route but if the time comes again for arms, we have a group of men with the will, the experience and the arms to start up again and rightly so. Do you honestly think that Gerry and Marty would just give everything away and disband the IRA totally, if you think that then you sir are delusional! The road to a UI has many more twists and turns before it finally happens!

Yes, and when that came comes we will have to learn from the mistakes of the past. I'm sceptical of a shooting or bombing campaign against military targets. I think a econmic bombing campaign hurt Britain far more than anything else. The Baltic Exchange, Bishopsgate, Canary Wharf & the 1996 Manchester bombing are a blueprint to follow. But they also have find out a better way of avoiding civilian causulaties as well.
There was a documentary called "Carbombs & the IRA" & in it the head of the Bomb Squad during the 90's said that another 20 Bishopsgates would have brought us to our knees.

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K-9

From the Charter:

No suggesting, advocating, or celebrating violence or criminality (including links that advocate such).

We take a strong line on this, shugy and DarkyHughes banned.

melissak

Did the Ira agree to cease to exist under the good Friday agreement? Did they surrender?

.45auto

You lads remember that plastic paddy in Florida who sent the IRA loads of arms. He sent over hundreds of guns and he got off as the Americans and Brits thought that the revelations would damage the peace process if they came to light

DarkyHughes

George Harrison? (not a Beatles). They came out anyway because he was interviewed in 1998 on Peter Taylor's Provos, Loyalists & Brits series admitting he sent between 2,500 - 3,000 guns & about a million rounds of ammunition to Ireland & one of the FBI guys who helped bust him said that was a conservative estimate.

.45auto

DarkyHughes wrote: »

George Harrison? (not a Beatles). They came out anyway because he was interviewed in 1998 on Peter Taylor's Provos, Loyalists & Brits series admitting he sent between 2,500 - 3,000 guns & about a million rounds of ammunition to Ireland & one of the FBI guys who helped bust him said that was a conservative estimate.

Ye thats the one

FTA69

DarkyHughes wrote: »

George Harrison? (not a Beatles). They came out anyway because he was interviewed in 1998 on Peter Taylor's Provos, Loyalists & Brits series admitting he sent between 2,500 - 3,000 guns & about a million rounds of ammunition to Ireland & one of the FBI guys who helped bust him said that was a conservative estimate.

Nah he's on about a different case in the early 2000s when handguns were allegedly being posted over from Florida.

.45auto

FTA69 wrote: »

Nah he's on about a different case in the early 2000s when handguns were allegedly being posted over from Florida.

Actually ye my bad thats what im on about.