Kg's of nuts per day to weanlings

cacs

I was talking to a meal feed guy the last day he said you should feed 1.25-1.5 kg of bull nuts per 100 kgs of body weight to weanlings. He recommended bull nuts to for growth . Has anyone any thoughts on it.

Miname

He's a meal rep he will want you to feed a bag a day per calf if he could get away with it. If your selling on weanlings 2-3kg per day is loads if your keeping get your silage tested and give them a kg or 1 1/2 per day if it's average enough stuff. Going by your reps advice you'd have an expensive winter. Bull nuts are only 12-14% protein I'd go for 16% for weanlings.

Farrell

What is a good nut/ration to help muscle (rear end) development.
Feeding some weanling heifers (replacement & some for spring sales) 5:3:2 beef nut: Rolled Barley:Soya bean, noticing a good thrive, but the good rear muscle is fading, would maize instead of soya get the muscle back?

CloughCasey1

Farrell wrote: »

What is a good nut/ration to help muscle (rear end) development.
Feeding some weanling heifers (replacement & some for spring sales) 5:3:2 beef nut: Rolled Barley:Soya bean, noticing a good thrive, but the good rear muscle is fading, would maize instead of soya get the muscle back?

You would think the high protein in soya would help develop the muscle. I feed a very similar mix all year round and does wonders IMO.

Farrell

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

You would think the high protein in soya would help develop the muscle. I feed a very similar mix all year round and does wonders IMO.

Finding the soya is growing them more than the beef nut on its own, also giving a good coat, but when growing frames they're not putting on muscle

CloughCasey1

Farrell wrote: »

Finding the soya is growing them more than the beef nut on its own, also giving a good coat, but when growing frames they're not putting on muscle

That's okay for growing your own for future stores but not going to show off weanlings in the ring.

CloughCasey1

Farrell wrote: »

Finding the soya is growing them more than the beef nut on its own, also giving a good coat, but when growing frames they're not putting on muscle

I will soon see the benifit of it (or not). Have two nov 14 sucks hex bullocks ready for mart in a month. Would hope to see 400kg each from the confession box! Time will tell.

Base price

cathal irwin wrote: »

I was talking to a meal feed guy the last day he said you should feed 1.25-1.5 kg of bull nuts per 100 kgs of body weight to weanlings. He recommended bull nuts to for growth . Has anyone any thoughts on it.

When it comes to growth rates I am old school and always fed a low protein but high energy feed to weanlings in the from of straight rolled oats with additional minerals. However I always reared the weanling on to finish.
Oats (+ minerals) are an excellent feed for young stock and in most cases overlooked in favour of easily purchased and manufactured nut/pellets

cacs

Miname wrote: »

He's a meal rep he will want you to feed a bag a day per calf if he could get away with it. If your selling on weanlings 2-3kg per day is loads if your keeping get your silage tested and give them a kg or 1 1/2 per day if it's average enough stuff. Going by your reps advice you'd have an expensive winter. Bull nuts are only 12-14% protein I'd go for 16% for weanlings.

Thanks for that . It's good advice

cacs

Base price wrote: »

When it comes to growth rates I am old school and always fed a low protein but high energy feed to weanlings in the from of straight rolled oats with additional minerals. However I always reared the weanling on to finish.
Oats (+ minerals) are an excellent feed for young stock and in most cases overlooked in favour of easily purchased and manufactured nut/pellets

Thanks for that nuts are handier for me

cacs

Farrell wrote: »

What is a good nut/ration to help muscle (rear end) development.
Feeding some weanling heifers (replacement & some for spring sales) 5:3:2 beef nut: Rolled Barley:Soya bean, noticing a good thrive, but the good rear muscle is fading, would maize instead of soya get the muscle back?

Thanks for that I will have to look into where I can get a good nut locally with a blend like that

patsy_mccabe

Base price wrote: »

When it comes to growth rates I am old school and always fed a low protein but high energy feed to weanlings in the from of straight rolled oats with additional minerals. However I always reared the weanling on to finish.
Oats (+ minerals) are an excellent feed for young stock and in most cases overlooked in favour of easily purchased and manufactured nut/pellets

I always thought it was protein to grow and energy to finish.

ganmo

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I always thought it was protein to grow and energy to finish.

too much protein and you'll strip weight off animals and knacker their kidneys.
can't have too much energy(but ya can have too much oil)
Its all about getting the balance right

patsy_mccabe

It's not my own mix, so no worries there. I only meant in general terms, in that a finishing ration will have less protein than say a weanling one.

cacs

ganmo wrote: »

too much protein and you'll strip weight off animals and knacker their kidneys.
can't have too much energy(but ya can have too much oil)
Its all about getting the balance right

What is a good mix per 100kgs of body weight

Miname

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

It's not my own mix, so no worries there. I only meant in general terms, in that a finishing ration will have more protein than say a weanling one.

A finishing ration will have less protein but more energy than a weanling ration. Load it up with maize to finish.

patsy_mccabe

Miname wrote: »

A finishing ration will have less protein but more energy than a weanling ration. Load it up with maize to finish.

Sorry, meant it the other way around.

CloughCasey1

ganmo wrote: »

too much protein and you'll strip weight off animals and knacker their kidneys.
can't have too much energy(but ya can have too much oil)
Its all about getting the balance right

How will it knacker their kidneys?

ganmo

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

How will it knacker their kidneys?

Protein cant be stored so the extra has to be pulled out by the kidneys and if they have to pull out lots making them work overtime.

i reckon they'd want to be eating nearly 100% soya to be a risk but every every bit of extra protein costs energy, I keep thinking of the atkins diet when people talk about high protein

CloughCasey1

ganmo wrote: »

Protein cant be stored so the extra has to be pulled out by the kidneys and if they have to pull out lots making them work overtime.

i reckon they'd want to be eating nearly 100% soya to be a risk but every every bit of extra protein costs energy, I keep thinking of the atkins diet when people talk about high protein

Would a high percentage of barley offset the mix. I mix 9-3-2 beef nuts, barley and soya