Want to get strong tour wheels for Canyon Endurance Al: Any advice?

Arequipa

Good evening!

I have a Canyon Endurance Al with full ultegra & Mavic Aksium 1 wheels.
Last summer I toured through France with 2 rear panniers (each with 5kgs of luggage) & a front handlebar bag with 2 kgs of weight.
The bike performed really well over roads, bike tracks and gravel sections, but there was a slight buckle in the wheel when I got home..

I am looking to get a stronger wheel set which can take the weight and bumps and without weighing a tonne!

Any advice on what I could get?

Thank you!

A

tamaskan

Hey Arequipa,
I have a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elite S WTS that came on my Canyon Ultimate CF. I already had a pair of Dura Ace wheels which I swapped out with the Ksyriums, so they have well under 100kms on them. I'm selling them for €400 (RRP €650) + €15 P+P. They are a very strong and light set of wheels as I'm sure you know already. They are in as new perfect condition. They're rolling on a set of Continental GP 4000s II 23mm tyres which I'll throw in free. The tyres still have loads of life in them. Anyway, sure you can be letting me know. I can email u photos on request. Thanks.

Rambling Man

Its called Canyon Endurace.

...sorry.

barrabus

get custom open pro 36 spoke with ultegra rims; pretty bomb proof and in the unlikely event a spoke breaks most bike shops will fix with out needing to order in spokes.

fat bloke

barrabus wrote: »

get custom open pro 36 spoke with ultegra rims; pretty bomb proof

I know people are always saying the above, but built up open pro wheels have given me more trouble than any other wheel. In fact I've never had a problem with a factory wheel. But a few years ago I had an open pro set built up specially because I wanted something "bomb-proof" and they were constantly going out of true. Constantly. Eventually I sold them, but I've had two different power tap wheels since built on open pro 36 spoke. First one - constantly breaking spokes and buckling - eventually went back to the shop and replaced with another one and while it's a lot better, it's never properly true. Only got it back from a mechanic there yesterday again to straighten it up.

Donie75

I've used Open Pro's on Ultegra hubs for years. Got my original set built in Staggs in Lucan by Andy. I'm over 19st and I used to trash rear factory wheels. I ran the last set for 3 years and never got them trued once. I just serviced the hubs twice.
Bought a new bike recently and got a new set built on a 6800 Ultegra hub to run 11 speed.
I think the wheels need to be built by a good wheelbuilder or your wasting your money.
The H+Son Archytype rims build on Ultegra hubs get great reviews also. Or I've heard Pacenti mentioned too.

brownian

Rose have a wide range of rim+spoke+hub options at sensible prices. I put 36-spoke 105 hubs, DT Swiss competition spokes with Rose's onwn slightly-aero rims for carrying panniers back and front, then took them camping/touring from Venice to Berlin with no problem. Some pretty bad bike paths in the Czech Republic, too. Took a couple of weeks to arrive, and they aren't terribly light, but when your bike looks like a truck with all the bags, the wheel weight isn't so much of an issue.

Arequipa

Thanks a mil for the feedback!
My bike is not an ideal tour bike..I use it most days as a commuter & its great for this..but it performed really well in France last summer..

I think stronger wheels will just toughen it up for heavier loads!

A friend of mine recommended x 2 options;
1)Boyd Altamonts
2) H Plus Son Wheels..

Any experience with these makes; never heard of them?!

A

TiBoy

fat bloke wrote: »

I know people are always saying the above, but built up open pro wheels have given me more trouble than any other wheel. In fact I've never had a problem with a factory wheel. But a few years ago I had an open pro set built up specially because I wanted something "bomb-proof" and they were constantly going out of true. Constantly. Eventually I sold them, but I've had two different power tap wheels since built on open pro 36 spoke. First one - constantly breaking spokes and buckling - eventually went back to the shop and replaced with another one and while it's a lot better, it's never properly true. Only got it back from a mechanic there yesterday again to straighten it up.

Yip my experience of open pro also, they give more trouble than the conventional wisdom generally suggested on the web, some people have no trouble though, so there is a possibility I was unlucky.

I went through 2 rims due to cracked eyelet and crack in rim side wall, and also found they went out of true quite easily. I had the wheels built by separate reputable builders so build quality was'nt the issue.

I prefer sealed bearing than the ultegra hubs I had because there's enough for me to be ocd about maintaining the rest of the bike without stripping and servicing hubs every month:D:D (I realize normal non ocd people wont have this problem)

gooch134

I have the Canyon endurace al. I recently sold the wheels. I was looking for a custom build. I choose the r460 rim, ultegra hubs and sapin race spokes. 28 front & 32 rear. They are my training set. Waiting for them to arrive.

If I were going touring either 32/36 or 36/36 all round. The h son archetype rim is very similar to the dt swiss r460 rim. I have heard the h son archetype is very strong. Good in your case. Can not vouch for the strength of r460 it is relatively new rim. The h son archetype gets great reviews as being a tough rim and may suit your needs.

I spoke with a guy recently who does audax and toured spain last year on an aluminium bike. He had a pair of h son archetype but they are breaking up now. He bought them 2nd hand.
He said the spoke count was not enough for the job at hand. They were 24/28.

The h son archetype is one of the toughest rims in their category. Their category being Belgium hed c2, velocity c23, dt swiss r460 and pacenti sl23. The dt swiss is by far the cheapest and newest of that selection. There is not a whole pile of reviews on the dt 460 rim for that reason. Other than the lack of reviews they appear perfectly sound.

In your case I would look give a closer look at the h son tb14 rim. It is a lower profile rim than the archetype but stronger all round. I was torn between archetype rim width & depths and h son tb14. I eventually settled on the r460 as is was so cheap compared to all the above and their is are no bad reviews on it either.

I had originally planned on getting the h son tb14, ultegra hubs, sapin race/dt swiss competition spokes.

There are very few reviews of the h son tb14 also. The guy who cycled spain on crappy roads last year in on the h son tb14 now.

He had only good thins to say about the archetype also.

The archetype, dt swiss r460, h son tb14 have the same internal width of 18mm. The archetype and dt swiss r460 have a deeper profile 23mm rim.

The h son tb14 has low profile rim.

All three with their wide internal rim width offer a very comfy riding depending on tyre pressure. Dont over inflate.

Majority of cyclists overinflate tyres. I was over inflating mine for years.

I weigh 75kg. I run rear 80psi, front 75psi for comfy ride. I hope to run lower again with ny new set.

I got mine on justridingalong.co.uk. Another site is thecycleclinic.uk.

Both those sites will set you back €400 for the set delivered. If you dont want to spend that much try rose or bike24.

Bike24.de have a wheelset for sale for €175 with the dt swiss r460 rim. Dt swiss competition spokes and dt swiss hubs. I think they are called the DT swiss R24 spline 2015 wheelset. This wheelset has 20/24 spoke count. My guess not enough for your needs.

That wheelset comes with that bike had you ordered a higher model.

I do think you need 32/36 or 36/36 for your type of riding depending.