And the New! Michael Conlan World Champion

efb

Ireland has a new World Champ
Michael Conlan won Gold in Doha in the AIBA World Championships

kneemos

Was it a raffle?

efb

World Amateur Boxing Championships

cajonlardo

WORLD Champ.

How often do you get to say that?

Brilliant stuff from a brilliant lad.

Nodin

cajonlardo wrote: »

WORLD Champ.

How often do you get to say that?

Brilliant stuff from a brilliant lad.

A proper world champion, not one of 4 or 5 others.

Fr_Dougal

Nice flowery wallpaper.

Edgarfrndly

Great boxer, and a great performance. It's a shame he's not getting more recognition.

Not that one

Delighted for him.

Always admired him after his "outburst" when interviewed about getting beaten in a semi-final (Beijing maybe), and interviewer asked him about being happy/proud of getting a bronze medal.

His response was that they could keep the bronze, he had come to win. Simple but honest immediate response.

He has been impressive since, and obviously a real medal hope for Rio.

Starokan

Great performance from a top class boxer

MrMorooka

Boxing is barbaric and causes massive brain damage that ruins boxers lives after they fall out of the public spotlight. We shouldn't be celebrating it and having it influence impressionable boys.

efb

Mr Morooka- care to cite the damages caused in amateur boxing last year?

MrMorooka

efb wrote: »

Mr Morooka- care to cite the damages caused in amateur boxing last year?

I think it's self-evident that any sport where the aim is to actively damage the brain of the opponent(and that's what boxing at any level, where blows to the head are key, is) causes damage. Sure, maybe no one dies now, but in later life the cumulative effect of the damage leads to personality changes and dementia. This article seems like a good starting point.

Stranger Danger

Well, that's certainly wrecked the buzz of this thread.

biko

Source
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1014/734790-live-boxing-michael-conlan-michael-oreilly-world/

Michael Conlan has become the first-ever Irishman to claim a World Championship gold medal in the 41-year history of the tournament after claiming a 3-0 unanimous decision win over Murodjon Akhmadaliev (Uzbekistan) in their 56kg bantamweight final.

efb

Mr Morooka


http://combatsportslaw.com/2012/12/19/overall-risk-of-injury-in-amateur-boxing-lower-than-football-hockey-wrestling-and-soccer/

I await your evidence

ben.schlomo

MrMorooka wrote: »

Boxing is barbaric and causes massive brain damage that ruins boxers lives after they fall out of the public spotlight. We shouldn't be celebrating it and having it influence impressionable boys.

Ban everything i say, better safe than sorry.

efb

And from the British medical journal:

http://m.bjsm.bmj.com/content/36/6/394.full

efb

OP- what about our Gold medal winning girls?

Dick phelan

Sorry to go off topic but if boxing is barbaric what is your opinion on Rugby, All those concussions can't be good for the brain? Anyway fair play to Conlan very true to say he's the best in the world, bear in mind he'd already got to Rio but choose to go to the world's to win the Gold, If he wins Gold in Rio he's the best boxer we've ever produced IMO.

MrMorooka

efb wrote: »

Mr Morooka


http://combatsportslaw.com/2012/12/19/overall-risk-of-injury-in-amateur-boxing-lower-than-football-hockey-wrestling-and-soccer/

I await your evidence

I don't want to trade biased articles. No one wins an internet argument. I made my comment and that's it.

Your link is only dealing with contemporary injuries, admissions to hospitals and concussions etc. The real risk is from the long term cumulative effect of the rotational injuries from blows to the head, from what I can see.

I'm not sure what the point of the article is anyway- it clearly shows that boxing is more dangerous than the other sports it mentions. Boxing(and wrestling) is also the only sport there where the whole goal is to assault the opponent, at least in the others the contact is somewhat more of a side effect. I mean, I still oppose wrestling, ice hockey and rugby, but as your link shows boxing is more dangerous than them, and it's what the thread is about.

Dick phelan wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic but if boxing is barbaric what is your opinion on Rugby, All those concussions can't be good for the brain?

Yeah, I'm opposed to rugby too. I should point out I don't necessarily want anything banned, I would rather we as a society just moved on from these sports in an enlightened way.

Dick phelan

MrMorooka wrote: »

I don't want to trade biased articles. No one wins an internet argument. I made my comment and that's it.

Your link is only dealing with contemporary injuries, admissions to hospitals and concussions etc. The real risk is from the long term cumulative effect of the rotational injuries from blows to the head, from what I can see.

I'm not sure what the point of the article is anyway- it clearly shows that boxing is more dangerous than the other sports it mentions. Boxing(and wrestling) is also the only sport there where the whole goal is to assault the opponent, at least in the others the contact is somewhat more of a side effect. I mean, I still oppose wrestling, ice hockey and rugby, but as your link shows boxing is more dangerous than them, and it's what the thread is about.

Wow you sound great fun, ban everything that might be dangerous.

not yet

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Ban everything i say, better safe than sorry.

Even Ridin..?

not yet

MrMorooka wrote: »

I don't want to trade biased articles. No one wins an internet argument. I made my comment and that's it.

Your link is only dealing with contemporary injuries, admissions to hospitals and concussions etc. The real risk is from the long term cumulative effect of the rotational injuries from blows to the head, from what I can see.

I'm not sure what the point of the article is anyway- it clearly shows that boxing is more dangerous than the other sports it mentions. Boxing(and wrestling) is also the only sport there where the whole goal is to assault the opponent, at least in the others the contact is somewhat more of a side effect. I mean, I still oppose wrestling, ice hockey and rugby, but as your link shows boxing is more dangerous than them, and it's what the thread is about.



Yeah, I'm opposed to rugby too. I should point out I don't necessarily want anything banned, I would rather we as a society just moved on from these sports in an enlightened way.

And they all lived happily ever after, THE END.

efb

Horse Riding is the most dangerous sport afaik

So Mr Mooyoko you just wanted to come in and make an unsubstantiated statement and allow it to go unchallenged???

Doesn't work like that

MrMorooka

Dick phelan wrote: »

Wow you sound great fun, ban everything that might be dangerous.

I'm not saying we should ban it, I just think it's embarrassing and gauche that we celebrate and glorify young men fighting and injuring each other for sport. I hope that we can on day move past it. Obviously that's not going to happen any time soon but I'm just putting the word out there.

efb

Let's just have obese kids sitting lest they hurt themselves playing sports eh???

fizzypish

Lol boards. Thread starts with congrats to one of our triumphant athletes.
Troll A: Boxing is barbaric and for morons
Troll B: What about the female boxers ya sexist pig
(I'm paraphrasing)

Its genius like this that leads to me looking at post 400 on the topic of puppies are cute to see a screaming argument that all dentists are lion hating sociopaths. Boards threads evolve faster than viruses.
Also I have become Troll C: **** that attempts to derail thread topic.

Congrats to Mr Conlan.

efb

Well put this word our there- amateur boxing is the safest contact sport!!!!

MrMorooka

efb wrote: »

Doesn't work like that

It kind of does though, I made the post and now it's there.. Feel free to make your own points against it if you want, but I mean, I don't have to reply to them, this is the internet, not a debate class.

cajonlardo

MrMorooka wrote: »

I don't want to trade biased articles. No one wins an internet argument. I made my comment and that's it.

Your link is only dealing with contemporary injuries, admissions to hospitals and concussions etc. The real risk is from the long term cumulative effect of the rotational injuries from blows to the head, from what I can see.

I'm not sure what the point of the article is anyway- it clearly shows that boxing is more dangerous than the other sports it mentions. Boxing(and wrestling) is also the only sport there where the whole goal is to assault the opponent, at least in the others the contact is somewhat more of a side effect. I mean, I still oppose wrestling, ice hockey and rugby, but as your link shows boxing is more dangerous than them, and it's what the thread is about.

There are hundreds of thousands of ex boxers around and it doesn't take a moment for any of us to think of a few.

Know what? The OLD ex boxers I know, men in their 70's and 80's are in far better shape than almost ALL the men I know who never boxed.

The human body was designed to be tried and tested and punished.
It was never designed to be sedentary, inactive and molly coddled. All around us we see the dangerous results of the latter. For every one boxer damaged, you KNOW there are millions suffering from damage suffered from doing NOTHING.

MrMorooka

cajonlardo wrote: »

It was never designed to be sedentary, inactive and molly coddled. All around us we see the dangerous results of the latter. For every one boxer damaged, you KNOW there are millions suffering from damage suffered from doing NOTHING.

Hey, as a fat person who falls into this camp myself, I don't disagree at all, and any boxer would be in better shape than I am. But there's probably a happy medium between 'fat ****' and 'long-term brain damaged boxer'. There are other ways to be fit, it's not one or the other..

Choochtown

MrMorooka wrote: »

I don't want to trade biased articles. No one wins an internet argument. I made my comment and that's it.

Your link is only dealing with contemporary injuries, admissions to hospitals and concussions etc. The real risk is from the long term cumulative effect of the rotational injuries from blows to the head, from what I can see.

I'm not sure what the point of the article is anyway- it clearly shows that boxing is more dangerous than the other sports it mentions. Boxing(and wrestling) is also the only sport there where the whole goal is to assault the opponent, at least in the others the contact is somewhat more of a side effect. I mean, I still oppose wrestling, ice hockey and rugby, but as your link shows boxing is more dangerous than them, and it's what the thread is about.



Yeah, I'm opposed to rugby too. I should point out I don't necessarily want anything banned, I would rather we as a society just moved on from these sports in an enlightened way.

The bit in bold is absolute rubbish. Amateur boxing is a thrilling, highly-skilled and tactical sport where the aim is to score points by connecting with a punch. The force of the punch is immaterial. In fact when Conlon got floored yesterday in round 3 the punch counted for exactly the same as a light connecting jab.

Back to the thread subject. Conlon is the type of role-model I would hope my children would look up to. The phenomenal dedication to his trade is obvious to anyone who follows sport. Not only that but he had already qualified for the Olympics but pushed himself that little bit extra that separates "greats" from "legends" to become a World Champion.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Not that one wrote: »

Delighted for him.

Always admired him after his "outburst" when interviewed about getting beaten in a semi-final (Beijing maybe), and interviewer asked him about being happy/proud of getting a bronze medal.

His response was that they could keep the bronze, he had come to win. Simple but honest immediate response.

He has been impressive since, and obviously a real medal hope for Rio.

I think that was Paddy Barnes. Wasn't there something else he said at the time whilst emotional about chucking the loser medal into the Lagan when he got home.

I admire that attitude also, you compete to win, a champion has no interest at being second or third rate at their discipline.

Nodin

MrMorooka wrote: »

I'm not saying we should ban it, I just think it's embarrassing an gauche that we celebrate and glorify young men fighting and injuring each other for sport..

God no....The Humanity!!! The Humanity!!!!!!

osarusan

Well done Michael Conlon. Our proud boxing tradition continues.

Gold medals always welcome.

efb wrote: »

Well put this word our there- amateur boxing is the safest contact sport!!!!

According to what?

biko

efb wrote: »

OP- what about our Gold medal winning girls?

I didn't know you and OP had daughters that won gold.

Congrats

efb

According to the link from the I posted second

osarusan

efb wrote: »

According to the link from the I posted second

Did you even read it?

First of all, it's not from the British Medical Journal, like you said.

Secondly, it doesn't say it is 'the safest', it says 'one of the safest'.

Thirdly, despite somehow reaching that conclusion, it doesn't mention any other sport at all, not even once. And it doesn't mention any criteria for comparison with other sports at all, not even once.


In terms of what you are trying to argue, it is useless.

Muahahaha

Fair play to Michael, he's a good egg

seamus

Fair play to the guy, but I really dislike the reporting on this.

"Ireland's first ever world champion".

Well, not really. In this specific competition, at this specific weight, or something.

Ireland has plenty of boxing world champions.

efb

@osrasan it's on the BMJ website, it has citations

mcmoustache

seamus wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, but I really dislike the reporting on this.

"Ireland's first ever world champion".

Well, not really. In this specific competition, at this specific weight, or something.

Ireland has plenty of boxing world champions.

You might say...


we're punching above our weight :cool:.



I'll get my coat.

efb

Professional straps are two a penny, there is only One Amateur World Championships

DEFTLEFTHAND

seamus wrote: »

Fair play to the guy, but I really dislike the reporting on this.

"Ireland's first ever world champion".

Well, not really. In this specific competition, at this specific weight, or something.

Ireland has plenty of boxing world champions.

First Irishman to win an amateur boxing world title as opposed to the pro champions we've had and currently have in Andy Lee..

efb

http://m.bjsm.bmj.com/content/36/6/394.full

Is the British Medical Journals website

Dirty Dingus McGee

efb wrote: »

Professional straps are two a penny, there is only One Amateur World Championships

But the amateur championship is well below professional standard.

It's like an u-21 All Ireland in GAA. Great to win but not the be all and end all.

Fair play to him though.

efb

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

efb wrote: »

Professional straps are two a penny, there is only One Amateur World Championships

But the amateur championship is well below professional standard.

It's like an u-21 All Ireland in GAA. Great to win but not the be all and end all.

Fair play to him though.

They are two different codes tbf

Sunnyisland

Fair play to him.

Tough sport boxing.

Edgarfrndly

MrMorooka wrote: »

Boxing is barbaric and causes massive brain damage that ruins boxers lives after they fall out of the public spotlight. We shouldn't be celebrating it and having it influence impressionable boys.

Amateur boxing is more about scoring points, than knockouts. It also has only 3 rounds, so there's a much reduced chance of brain injury than professional boxing.

All that aside - it is entirely their choice whether or not they wish to compete. Combat sports are the oldest form of sports on the planet. It is natural for us to be wish to be competitive.

At any point, they can quit if they like.