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Cancer Treatment through Naturopathy using vitamin B17

  • 05-10-2015 11:33am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3


    Dear All,
    i hope you all are well.

    Me and my family at present going through a very difficult time as my wife was diagnosed with reoccurred BC. however, it is treated now through surgery and she is undergoing chemo now. This is very painful treatment and a lot of suffering.

    in our recent research we found that the current allopathy treatment is not very curative rather its causing more pain and suffer to the patients and families and is cause of further problem (other than surgery) especially chemo and radiotherapy. as you can see it is described in link 1 below:

    link 1: (i am a new user so cannot post links)

    however, further search showed that the main source of spread cancer cells is due to the animal protein as it feeds the cancer cells and if we stop feeding it we may not be able to cure it but stop it and to some extent reverse it. i have found a link below and this lady is advocating similar thing. also she is referencing a book in link 3 that could be helping.

    link 2: (i am a new user so cannot post links)
    link 3: (i am a new user so cannot post links)

    now based on the above, i am in search of a good naturopathic Dr. (Preferably female) who can give us a plan to cure the immune system and also treat the body to heal itself and help in avoiding recurrence of the killing disease.

    can anyone share the views as above and if known advise a good naturopathy doctor / clinic?

    your help will be highly appreciated.

    Thanks,


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Ihaveanopinion


    oh dear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    First of all, Vitamin B17 does not exist.

    What some people call Vitamin B17 is also known as Laetrile, but is more correctly called Amygdalin.

    It is NOT effective in any way as a cancer treatment.

    It is also extremely toxic. Oh, yes, and illegal. Don't forget illegal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Vorsprung


    MichelAngelo,

    Sorry to hear about wife. Can only imagine what you're going through.

    You're not the first person to research alternatives to chemotherapy/radiotherapy. I'm going to go out on a limb (apologies if I'm incorrect) and suggest that the links you tried to post were to sites that don't cite randomised control trials. I'd further suggest the best sites to help you in your own reading include the following:

    1) Pubmed.com
    2) Uptodate.com
    3) Patient.co.uk
    4) cancer.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 MichaelAngelo


    Thank you for your kind responses.

    Locum-motion, Amygdalin is the thing that is being used for the cancer treatment and we have also been suggested by people to use apricot kernels for the same. i am not sure why you said that it is not effective in any cancer treatment, more info on that will be helping.

    Vorsprung: thanks for the links they are very informative and i am reading them now. anyway, i think it will be better if i can found a link to a good naturopathic centre that they may guide me in the right direction. so if you come to know please inform.

    the references (Link 3) above i gave you for the very popular book "World without cancer - the story of vitamin B17" by G. Edward Griffin.
    whereas the link 1 can be searched on you tube "cancer the forbidden cures". and link 2 was for the lady sandy rog for her personnel story on cancer treatment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,136 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    i am not sure why you said that it is not effective in any cancer treatment,

    Because it isn't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    ...Locum-motion, Amygdalin is the thing that is being used for the cancer treatment and we have also been suggested by people to use apricot kernels for the same. i am not sure why you said that it is not effective in any cancer treatment, more info on that will be helping...


    Apricot kernels are approximately 8% Amygdalin, from which "Laetrile" is synthesised by hydrolysis.

    ...i am not sure why you said that it is not effective in any cancer treatment...

    Because studies have consistently shown no benefit!
    ...more info on that will be helping...

    Try this article for size: Laetrile: a lesson in cancer quackery

    Here's a little quote for you:
    the slickest, most sophisticated, and certainly the most remunerative cancer quack promotion in medical history.

    Here's another one:
    Despite the promoters' contrary claims, laetrile must be one of the most thoroughly studied compounds never to have qualified for FDA approval for human investigation... In 23 different animal tumor models, laetrile has consistently failed to deliver any reproducible benefit.

    and
    ...the available human data have been of very inferior quality, anecdotal in nature with poor documentation of the cancer and rarely reliable measurement of the treatment results. Where it has been feasible for independent analysts to study reports of nearly 200 human cases of laetrile treatment, it has not been possible in a single instance to demonstrate any unequivocal anticancer benefit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    ...
    the references (Link 3) above i gave you for the very popular book "World without cancer - the story of vitamin B17" by G. Edward Griffin...

    Would that be this G. Edward Griffin? [Ans. Yes, it would.]
    ...promotes conspiracy theories about the Federal Reserve System.[1][2] Griffin's writings promote conspiracy theories about the political and health care systems. His book World Without Cancer argues that cancer is a nutritional deficiency that can be cured by consuming amygdalin, a view regarded as quackery by the medical community.[1][3][4] He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.[1] He believes Noah's Ark is located in Turkey at the Durupınar site.[5]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    Michaelangelo,

    Re-reading all of the above, I just want to say a wee word about the tone/attitude I have been employing in my posts - in my eagerness to counteract the anti-scientific, I see that I have been less than sympathetic to you and your wife's predicament.

    I do sincerely wish you both the best, and I hope that she gets better.

    Please, though, do stick with established medical treatment. The fact is that advances in conventional medicine have vastly increased cancer survival rates, while alternative treatments like antineoplaston or laetrile haven't cured anybody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster


    who can give us a plan to cure the immune system and also treat the body to heal itself and help in avoiding recurrence of the killing disease.

    "Cure the immune system". Oh dear.

    I'll put this in as simple terms as I can. Cancer is caused by mistakes caused during DNA replication. DNA replication is how your body creates new cells to both grow, and to stay alive (replace old ones). This job is done by things called DNA polymerases. They do a fantastic job, copying strands of DNA essentially block by block (nucleotides, in this case are the building blocks of DNA). They make less than one mistake for every 10^7 (10,000,000) nucleotides added, and due to proof-reading enzymes make even less, so ~ one every 10^9 (100,000,000).

    That being said - You undergo over 300 quintillion (that's 300 billion billion) nucleotide replication events every single day. Thats 300,000,000,000 MISTAKES every single day that have to be fixed. Each one has the potential to result in a tumour. Obviously the vast majority of these are fixed before they reach this stage, through various processes including the immune system. If anything, it's amazing how good the human body is at not getting cancer considering those odds.

    The only way for any person to 100% avoid any possibility of getting cancer is by dying. Dead people don't undergo DNA replication.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 adamshare01


    First of all, Vitamin B17 does not exist.

    What some people call Vitamin B17 is also known as Laetrile, but is more correctly called Amygdalin.

    It is NOT effective in any way as a cancer treatment.

    It is also extremely toxic. Oh, yes, and illegal. Don't forget illegal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    First of all, Vitamin B17 does not exist.

    What some people call Vitamin B17 is also known as Laetrile, but is more correctly called Amygdalin.

    It is NOT effective in any way as a cancer treatment.

    It is also extremely toxic. Oh, yes, and illegal. Don't forget illegal.

    I'm slightly curious as to why you decided to quote me word for word. Especially since you decided not to attribute my words.
    First of all, Vitamin B17 does not exist.

    What some people call Vitamin B17 is also known as Laetrile, but is more correctly called Amygdalin.

    It is NOT effective in any way as a cancer treatment.

    It is also extremely toxic. Oh, yes, and illegal. Don't forget illegal.


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