Will they check a NON Irish car driving from NI to IE?

Asmooh

I still have my car in The Netherlands, and I want to rent a industrial unit to work on it, if I take the boat from England to Ireland (Dublin) they will register it and everything and I have 30 days to register it at the tax and stuff.

But I won't be driving with the car, I will work on it because when the car is 1100km away I can't.

So I was thinking, maybe I should take the boat from England to Belfast (less check?) and drive from Belfast to Dublin, then put it in the unit to work on.
When its done I drive back to Holland (or import it).


Is this the best way? because those 800 euros import costs I can spent a bit better at the moment.. I won't be driving the car for the next year anyway but I do want to work on it.


any tips & tricks?

Henry Ford III

Trailer it.

biko

You intend to drive it here in Ireland at some point yeah?
Smuggling it in and then out after a year is way too risky, particularly driving through UK. The UK police are less forgiving than Gardai so tbh it's not worth it.

Just bring it over, VRT it and declare off road. Or trailer it as said.
Either way you will need to inform the authorities.

Asmooh

biko wrote: »

You intend to drive it here in Ireland at some point yeah?
Smuggling it in and then out after a year is way too risky, particularly driving through UK. The UK police are less forgiving than Gardai so tbh it's not worth it.

Just bring it over, VRT it and declare off road. Or trailer it as said.
Either way you will need to inform the authorities.

Thx for the info.. I guess I need to keep 2000 euros aside for just importing a 1992 car -_-

biko

Them Dutch cars do be expensive..

Asmooh

biko wrote: »

Them Dutch cars do be expensive..

No.. thats because of Irish import tax.

Export costs: 200
VRT: 800
Road tax: 600
Rest: Much?

ianob7

If you trailer it then you won't need to tax it !! just declare off the road within 21 days of importing it !!

ted1

Are you Dutch or have you being living there? has the car being taxed over there, you may be able to avoid VRT

Asmooh

ted1 wrote: »

Are you Dutch or have you being living there? has the car being taxed over there, you may be able to avoid VRT

Yes I do and Do, but the car isnt in my name since I dont live there anymore

biko

You should ring and ask the VRT folks but if you import it and then use form RF150 you probably won't have to pay any motor tax in Ireland.

Asmooh

biko wrote: »

You should ring and ask the VRT folks but if you import it and then use form RF150 you probably won't have to pay any motor tax in Ireland.

Sent them an email 6 months ago.. never got a reply

biko

Keep trying, it is in your interest. Maybe use a phone instead.

CiniO

Asmooh wrote: »

Yes I do and Do, but the car isnt in my name since I dont live there anymore

In whose name the car is then?
If car is registered to someone you know, you could probably take it to Ireland and keep it here, assuming that would be the registered owner who owns the car.
If person who is registered owner is not Irish resident, he might be entitled to keep the car here for up to 12 months. Nothing stopping you working on this car in the shed in the mean time.
When you are finished within 12 month, just take car back to Netherland.
Unless you plan to keep it in Ireland and use it, then you'll need to register it and pay VRT.

Asmooh

CiniO wrote: »

In whose name the car is then?
If car is registered to someone you know, you could probably take it to Ireland and keep it here, assuming that would be the registered owner who owns the car.
If person who is registered owner is not Irish resident, he might be entitled to keep the car here for up to 12 months. Nothing stopping you working on this car in the shed in the mean time.
When you are finished within 12 month, just take car back to Netherland.
Unless you plan to keep it in Ireland and use it, then you'll need to register it and pay VRT.

Its registered in my aunt her name, we have ofc the same last name. And she owns it only on paper. I have an irish driverslicense. Registering isnt the issue but vrt is a lot and i just dont want to travel back and forth and able to work 4 days every few months

aujopimur

It will be liable for VRT from the date of importation.

CiniO

I would definitely look into option of bringing it under temporary exemption from VRT.

OP - you say your aunt is registered owner. It doesn't matter if it's only on paper and car is really your - what's in papers matter.
If she is registered owner, then it's her car.
And as she is resident in Netherland, she is allowed to bring a car to Ireland for up to 12 months without registering.

Here's the details:

2. What Conditions Apply
Any imported vehicle which is owned by or registered in the name of a non-resident person is not required to be registered in Ireland subject to the following conditions:

The vehicle must have been acquired with all the appropriate taxes paid and these must not have been exempted or refunded in any way. The standard registration plates in use in the domestic market of a country are normally accepted as evidence of this.
The vehicle may not in any circumstances be driven by a State resident.
The vehicle may not be disposed of or hired out in the State or lent to a State resident.
The period of time that the vehicle is in the State does not exceed 12 months.
A longer period may apply where a person is on a task of definite duration in the State.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html

If car is going to be parked in shed and you'll be working on it, there's no problem with it at all.
Only issue is you (as Irish resident) can not drive it, so if you bring it yourself to Ireland, you can drive it all the way up to ferry port in Ireland. From there it will either have to be towed on a trailer or truck, or driven by non-Irish resident (can be anyone who is not resident in Ireland - doesn't need to be your aunt).

Question is what you want to do with it, after you finish working on it?
If it's going back to Netherlands, there's no problem.
If you want to start using it in Ireland yourself, then you will need to pay VRT on it.

*Kol*

Can't the VRT be refunded in some way when the car is exported?

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

I would definitely look into option of bringing it under temporary exemption from VRT.

OP - you say your aunt is registered owner. It doesn't matter if it's only on paper and car is really your - what's in papers matter.
If she is registered owner, then it's her car.
And as she is resident in Netherland, she is allowed to bring a car to Ireland for up to 12 months without registering.

Here's the details:

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html

If car is going to be parked in shed and you'll be working on it, there's no problem with it at all.
Only issue is you (as Irish resident) can not drive it, so if you bring it yourself to Ireland, you can drive it all the way up to ferry port in Ireland. From there it will either have to be towed on a trailer or truck, or driven by non-Irish resident (can be anyone who is not resident in Ireland - doesn't need to be your aunt).

Question is what you want to do with it, after you finish working on it?
If it's going back to Netherlands, there's no problem.
If you want to start using it in Ireland yourself, then you will need to pay VRT on it.

Actually you can bring your car to Ireland for an unlimited amount of time if you live outside of Ireland.

Many Germans and Dutch people I know have holiday homes in Kerry/West cork and leave a second car on Dutch/German plates there indefinitely.

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

Actually you can bring your car to Ireland for an unlimited amount of time if you live outside of Ireland.

Many Germans and Dutch people I know have holiday homes in Kerry/West cork and leave a second car on Dutch/German plates there indefinitely.

Well, according to link I've shown above, legally they can keep the car only up to 12 months.

colm_mcm

*Kol* wrote: »

Can't the VRT be refunded in some way when the car is exported?

They keep the first €500 of a refund.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

Well, according to link I've shown above, legally they can keep the car only up to 12 months.

They checked with Revenue as it wasn't possible for them to obtain Irish Insurance or register a car since they do not live there.

I guess they must have an exemption as one couple I know have a holiday home in West Cork for 6-7 years now on Dutch Plates.

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

They checked with Revenue as it wasn't possible for them to obtain Irish Insurance or register a car since they do not live there.

I guess they must have an exemption as one couple I know have a holiday home in West Cork for 6-7 years now on Dutch Plates.

Well if revenue issued exemption particually to them, then I assume it's fine.
But I wonder how do they do Dutch annual roadworthiness test?

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

Well if revenue issued exemption particually to them, then I assume it's fine.
But I wonder how do they do Dutch annual roadworthiness test?

It's not every year

New Petrol Car - 1st Inspection after 4 years, then after 2 then every year

New Diesel - First after 3 years then every year.

But still, it's a fairly common situation, the RDW in the Netherlands even make it possible to do your APK Abroad

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rdw.nl%2Foverrdw%2FPaginas%2FSpaanse-APK-voor-Nederlandse-voertuigen-.aspx&edit-text=

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

It's not every year

New Petrol Car - 1st Inspection after 4 years, then after 2 then every year

New Diesel - First after 3 years then every year.

Allright, but it still doesn't explain how can they keep a car for 6-7 years in Ireland as you mentioned.

But still, it's a fairly common situation, the RDW in the Netherlands even make it possible to do your APK Abroad

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rdw.nl%2Foverrdw%2FPaginas%2FSpaanse-APK-voor-Nederlandse-voertuigen-.aspx&edit-text=

That's very interesting and it's good that there is such option in Spain, but surely there is no such agreement with Ireland and NCT centre won't test Dutch car.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

Allright, but it still doesn't explain how can they keep a car for 6-7 years in Ireland as you mentioned.

I haven't interrogated them over it, my guess would be they brought at least once at some point.

That's very interesting and it's good that there is such option in Spain, but surely there is no such agreement with Ireland and NCT centre won't test Dutch car.

No idea, I've never checked, I only know its a fairly common situation that Dutch/German People leave a car abroad, Lanzarote would be another example

Another person I know has a car down in Zagreb

Why would you think this is a strange situation ? How exactly are you meant to insure/register a car somewhere you do not live ?

Alun

keithclancy wrote: »

Why would you think this is a strange situation ? How exactly are you meant to insure/register a car somewhere you do not live ?

I know an Irish person who has a car registered and insured at his holiday home in France. Seems odd to me but he swears it's legal.

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

I haven't interrogated them over it, my guess would be they brought at least once at some point.

Looks like in best case scenario, even if they brought brand new petrol car, they would still need to do 2 tests before car is 6 years old.

No idea, I've never checked, I only know its a fairly common situation that Dutch/German People leave a car abroad, Lanzarote would be another example

Another person I know has a car down in Zagreb

Don't get me wrong. I'll all for opening the market as much as possible.
Ideally we would have just one EU wide car registration system, and EU wide insurance system so there would be no limitation of moving cars between the states.
Maybe it will happens once, but it's many many years away yet.
At the moment, moving car abroad is made as awkward as possible nearly.

Why would you think this is a strange situation ? How exactly are you meant to insure/register a car somewhere you do not live ?

You can't in most cases - and that is the problem.
If you have a holiday home somewhere abroad, usually you can't register and insure the car locally as you are not resident, and you can't keep car from your country of residence, as there are limitations (most EU countries only allow to keep foreign car up to 6 months - Ireland allows 12, but that's still no good to someone who wants to have a car kept at they holiday house abroad) as well as usually you need to do roadworthiness test every year or two.

I'm in the same shoes now kinda.
I have Irish registered car in Poland, but it has no valid NCT anymore, so I can't really use it legally.

Asmooh

I guess just to make sure I don't have many issues, import the car, pay the VRT, find a industrial unit to store it, take it off-road till im done working with it, then NCT? or Do i need a NCT at import? I just got a new valid Dutch APK (NCT).

foggy_lad

CiniO wrote: »

I would definitely look into option of bringing it under temporary exemption from VRT.

OP - you say your aunt is registered owner. It doesn't matter if it's only on paper and car is really your - what's in papers matter.
If she is registered owner, then it's her car.
And as she is resident in Netherland, she is allowed to bring a car to Ireland for up to 12 months without registering.

Here's the details:

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html

If car is going to be parked in shed and you'll be working on it, there's no problem with it at all.
Only issue is you (as Irish resident) can not drive it, so if you bring it yourself to Ireland, you can drive it all the way up to ferry port in Ireland. From there it will either have to be towed on a trailer or truck, or driven by non-Irish resident (can be anyone who is not resident in Ireland - doesn't need to be your aunt).

Question is what you want to do with it, after you finish working on it?
If it's going back to Netherlands, there's no problem.
If you want to start using it in Ireland yourself, then you will need to pay VRT on it.

The problem with this is where it states that the vehicle can't be lent to an Irish resident which is exactly what the aunt is doing by not signing the car over to the OP. Basically the owner or another Dutch resident would need to bring the vehicle over and keep it here for however long it is here.

Asmooh

question

If i buy a car in Ireland, but won't be using it.
Do i need to insure it directly if I take it offroad like the next day? or will I get a big fee if it stands on public road for a day or so?

YbFocus

Asmooh wrote: »

question

If i buy a car in Ireland, but won't be using it.
Do i need to insure it directly if I take it offroad like the next day? or will I get a big fee if it stands on public road for a day or so?

If you have to drive it on the road post orchard it must be insured.
You have to tell the council that it's off the road within ten days of purchase.

CiniO

Asmooh wrote: »

question

If i buy a car in Ireland, but won't be using it.
Do i need to insure it directly if I take it offroad like the next day? or will I get a big fee if it stands on public road for a day or so?

If you get caught, you will be fined for keeping car parked in public place without insurance.
However there is no automatic system like in some other countries, where if car is not insured and not declared off the road, then automatic fine arrives in the post.

YbFocus wrote: »

If you have to drive it on the road post orchard it must be insured.
You have to tell the council that it's off the road within ten days of purchase.

There's no obligation to declare vehicle off the road.
Only advantage of doing so, is if you decide to tax it again in the future (in your name) then, without declaring it off the road beforehand arrears will be due.
That's the only advantage.