Gotta love the Indo

bajer101

The Irish Independent have published an article with an accompanying photograph purporting to show an Israeli IDF soldier about to shoot dead an unarmed Palestinian woman. IMO, it is very unlikely that this photo is legit. I made a comment on their website pointing out that they used "him" instead of "her" and they published it. I re-read the article and searched for corroborating news of this huge event, and when I could find nothing I posted that this photo was likely to be fake. Not only did they refuse to publish my comment, but the also deleted my original comment about the original error.

So much for freedom of press and comment. I have also noticed that I seem to be banned from commenting on their FB posts.

I am a big supporter of the Palestinian State, but I would be very surprised if this photo is legit. Here's the article.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/photo-captures-moment-before-israeli-soldier-shoots-dead-palestinian-woman-31553299.html

Reiver

Looks like it was taken on stage at the Abbey.

PARlance

Can't see any woman in the photo

For Forks Sake

Reiver wrote: »

Looks like it was taken on stage at the Abbey.

PARlance wrote: »

Can't see any woman in the photo

She's Behind You!!!

Edgarfrndly

Whatever about the photo, which most major news sites are publishing. A 19 year old Palestinian student was shot and killed.

kneemos

Doesn't seem to be aiming at her in fairness.

Edgarfrndly

Alright, I wouldn't normally link to the Daily Mail, but they have pretty clear-cut evidence judging by the various photos that she was shot and killed. I can't see any sign of a knife either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245438/Dramatic-moment-Israeli-soldier-points-rifle-veiled-teenage-Palestinian-student-shot-dead-moments-later-attempting-stab-West-Bank-checkpoint-guard.html

Vic_08

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

Alright, I wouldn't normally link to the Daily Mail, but they have pretty clear-cut evidence judging by the various photos that she was shot and killed. I can't see any sign of a knife either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245438/Dramatic-moment-Israeli-soldier-points-rifle-veiled-teenage-Palestinian-student-shot-dead-moments-later-attempting-stab-West-Bank-checkpoint-guard.html

So, in summary; The OP is complete sh!t, Indo has not published a fake photo and by my reckoning is entirely justified in deleting comments accusing it of doing so and banning people from spamming their FB account with such accusations.

/thread.

Reiver

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

Whatever about the photo, which most major news sites are publishing. A 19 year old Palestinian student was shot and killed.

Did she try to stab someone though

The Rape of Lucretia

Looking at the size of the muzzle, it seems he's got one of those guns that shoots table tennis balls. So probably did shoot her. Just to tease her I'd say. Probably fancies her.

bajer101

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

Alright, I wouldn't normally link to the Daily Mail, but they have pretty clear-cut evidence judging by the various photos that she was shot and killed. I can't see any sign of a knife either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245438/Dramatic-moment-Israeli-soldier-points-rifle-veiled-teenage-Palestinian-student-shot-dead-moments-later-attempting-stab-West-Bank-checkpoint-guard.html

Bit more info here and some more photos, but still no evidence. The original photo looks staged. The original story and photo came from a FB post and the Indo ran with it with no corroboration. A HD photo of an IDF soldier about to shoot someone? Really?

Vic_08 wrote: »

So, in summary; The OP is complete sh!t, Indo has not published a fake photo and by my reckoning is entirely justified in deleting comments accusing it of doing so and banning people from spamming their FB account with such accusations.

/thread.

OP here, and I am calling bullshít. You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered. IMO the Indo and the Mail have published photos which are clickbait. The Indo knows it and that is why they deleted my comments questioning the veracity of the photo. If the photo and story was legit, the Indo would have no reason to delete my comment.

I just questioned the legitimacy of the photo and the veracity of the story and the Indo deleted my comment.

I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause, but the Indo can fúck right off by trying to censor me.

Edgarfrndly

bajer101 wrote: »

Bit more info here and some more photos, but still no evidence. The original photo looks staged. The original story and photo came from a FB post and the Indo ran with it with no corroboration. A HD photo of an IDF soldier about to shoot someone? Really?



OP here, and I am calling bullshít. You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered. IMO the Indo and the Mail have published photos which are clickbait. The Indo knows it and that is why they deleted my comments questioning the veracity of the photo. If the photo and story was legit, the Indo would have no reason to delete my comment.

I just questioned the legitimacy of the photo and the veracity of the story and the Indo deleted my comment.

I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause, but the Indo can fúck right off by trying to censor me.

I think you need to go to the conspiracy theory forum.

Stheno

Vic_08 wrote: »

So, in summary; The OP is complete sh!t, Indo has not published a fake photo and by my reckoning is entirely justified in deleting comments accusing it of doing so and banning people from spamming their FB account with such accusations.

/thread.

Yes it's across multiple reliable news sites.

Wompa1

I seem to recall outrage at the time of the incident in Berekely on here to the reactions of people on comment sections and forums in the US...somebody was killed tragically

We're not so different after all, eh? :rolleyes:

bajer101

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

I think you need to go to the conspiracy theory forum.

Stheno wrote: »

Yes it's across multiple reliable news sites.

These photos are nonsense. I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause but I am calling bullshít. To suggest that this girl got murdered and her pre-death was caught in HD with a photographer positioned behind her to catch the action and s/he then toddled off to upload the photos. Bollocks.

I'm calling this now - bollocks. I tweeted the people who know and they aren't touching it. They are very suspicious.

Azalea

I don't know. The Indo is most certainly not known for its pro Palestine stance.

Cienciano

bajer101 wrote: »

The Irish Independent have published an article with an accompanying photograph purporting to show an Israeli IDF soldier about to shoot dead an unarmed Palestinian woman. IMO, it is very unlikely that this photo is legit. I made a comment on their website pointing out that they used "him" instead of "her" and they published it. I re-read the article and searched for corroborating news of this huge event, and when I could find nothing I posted that this photo was likely to be fake. Not only did they refuse to publish my comment, but the also deleted my original comment about the original error.

So much for freedom of press and comment. I have also noticed that I seem to be banned from commenting on their FB posts.

I am a big supporter of the Palestinian State, but I would be very surprised if this photo is legit. Here's the article.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/photo-captures-moment-before-israeli-soldier-shoots-dead-palestinian-woman-31553299.html

bajer101 wrote: »

Bit more info here and some more photos, but still no evidence. The original photo looks staged. The original story and photo came from a FB post and the Indo ran with it with no corroboration. A HD photo of an IDF soldier about to shoot someone? Really?



OP here, and I am calling bullshít. You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered. IMO the Indo and the Mail have published photos which are clickbait. The Indo knows it and that is why they deleted my comments questioning the veracity of the photo. If the photo and story was legit, the Indo would have no reason to delete my comment.

I just questioned the legitimacy of the photo and the veracity of the story and the Indo deleted my comment.

I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause, but the Indo can fúck right off by trying to censor me.

So your evidence is "You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered"?
You seem to think you have some sort of right to type what you want in the comments section of the indo's site. Guess what? You don't, and the indo can delete whatever the hell they like, especially when it's false information.

Pink Lemons

Probably something to do with Reptilians

DareGod

Vic_08 wrote: »

So, in summary; The OP is complete sh!t, Indo has not published a fake photo and by my reckoning is entirely justified in deleting comments accusing it of doing so and banning people from spamming their FB account with such accusations.

/thread.

Do you blindly believe everything you read? The OP was correct to question it. We should be questioning absolutely everything we read from news media. There is no hope for any adult who has not realised that by now.

DareGod

Cienciano wrote: »

So your evidence is "You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered"?
You seem to think you have some sort of right to type what you want in the comments section of the indo's site. Guess what? You don't, and the indo can delete whatever the hell they like, especially when it's false information.

The OP didn't give any "information" at all in his comment on the Indo website. What he gave was an opinion. Did you even read the OP properly?

Also, OP didn't say that he has "some sort of right" to type whatever he wants. He stated what happened when he submitted his comment (that it was deleted) and then he commented on this event: "So much for freedom of press and comment." He never suggested his "rights" were violated.

c montgomery

So was she trying to stab someone?

bajer101

Cienciano wrote: »

So your evidence is "You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered"?
You seem to think you have some sort of right to type what you want in the comments section of the indo's site. Guess what? You don't, and the indo can delete whatever the hell they like, especially when it's false information.

I have no evidence, but neither did the Indo. The Indo published an article and posted a photo with absolutely no back up. The Indo posted a photo and a story with no verification. Most reputable news sources will not publish a story unless they have at least two verified sources. Did the Indo have two verified sources of this story? Did they fúck.

My problem was that as a neutral commentator, my comments were deleted from the Indo's page. I am barred from posting comments on the Indo's page.

Stheno

bajer101 wrote: »

I have no evidence, but neither did the Indo. The Indo published an article and posted a photo with absolutely no back up. The Indo posted a photo and a story with no verification. Most reputable news sources will not publish a story unless they have at least two verified sources. Did the Indo have two verified sources of this story? Did they fúck.

My problem was that as a neutral commentator, my comments were deleted from the Indo's page. I am barred from posting comments on the Indo's page.

So all of the other news sources on this including Al Jazeera are lying?

There are photos online of her dead body and funeral.

Edgarfrndly

bajer101 wrote: »

These photos are nonsense. I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause but I am calling bullshít. To suggest that this girl got murdered and her pre-death was caught in HD with a photographer positioned behind her to catch the action and s/he then toddled off to upload the photos. Bollocks.

I'm calling this now - bollocks. I tweeted the people who know and they aren't touching it. They are very suspicious.

The West Bank is always full of reporters, ready to document daily life there. You're telling me a reporter, or someone with a camera on a check-point couldn't have feasibly taken a photo?

To who's benefit does it serve to fabricate a story about a young woman being killed. Your only line is one of personal incredulity. You can't believe a reporter or someone with a camera could have been at a check-point when someone was killed?

ejabrod

Pink Lemons wrote: »

Probably something to do with Reptilians

Always one retarded díckhead

Reiver

did she try to stab anyone

bajer101

Stheno wrote: »

So all of the other news sources on this including Al Jazeera are lying?

There are photos online of her dead body and funeral.

I am questioning the legitimacy of this photo. Who took this HD photo of someone about to be murdered and then managed to escape? Normally when someone captures a shot like this it is blurry and accompanied with a byline about how they were lucky to escape with their lives.

A clear cut HD shot of an IDF soldier about to take out an unarmed Palestinian woman? Nonsense. Look at it,

http://i.imgur.com/9798DOQ.jpg

bajer101

Is that not a Call of Duty shot or something?

bajer101

Really, look at the photo that the Indo and the Daily Mail ran. Look closely.

Wompa1

bajer101 wrote: »

I am questioning the legitimacy of this photo. Who took this HD photo of someone about to be murdered and then managed to escape? Normally when someone captures a shot like this it is blurry and accompanied with a byline about how they were lucky to escape with their lives.

A clear cut HD shot of an IDF soldier about to take out an unarmed Palestinian woman? Nonsense. Look at it,

http://i.imgur.com/9798DOQ.jpg

On the escaping thing. There's a documentary called Five Broken Cameras. The guy filmed a protestor getting shot in the stomach and dying. He also filmed a relative of his getting shot in the leg after being taken into custody...

I wouldn't say it's impossible.

along with the other pictures, it looks less suspicious

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/IDF-soldier-seen-in-photo-aiming-at-Palestinian-woman-who-was-killed-in-Hebron-417905

I don't believe it's being disputed that she was shot. The IDF claim she lunged with a knife

deni20000

The Indo and Irish Times are extremely politically correct newspapers with only one view on many major issues - the PC one. If you want a balanced view, try the Sunday Times - Kevin Myers is like a breath of fresh air - great photography as well.

bajer101

OP here. I really don't know what to make of this. I've been flipping between thinking that this has to be staged, but I am not sure. If this is real, it is outrageous.

K.Flyer

Stheno wrote: »

Yes it's across multiple reliable news sites.

So was the Putin / Elton John phone call, just sayin'.

foggy_lad

Look at the size of the furniture in the picture andnit looks like that soldier claimed up a furkin beanstalk! That chair in the corner behind him is massive!

Wompa1

bajer101 wrote: »

OP here. I really don't know what to make of this. I've been flipping between thinking that this has to be staged, but I am not sure. If this is real, it is outrageous.

It's real.... Check out the link I posted. That's an Israeli paper. It's reporting 'Military sources'. And that's on a Pro-Israeli site. Most of the comments are in support of the soldiers actions...even though the accounts suggest there were 6 soldiers surrounding her...One of the pictures shows a man in the shot which seems to match up with the Palestinian witnesses accounts and that mans accounts that he was trying to act as a translator....

They have a picture of the knife the lady reportedly came at them with.

I'm sure the Israeli soldiers do have instances in which they are under threat but this to me is terrible. There was a story in the city I live in. A woman with warrants was spotted in a car outside a petrol station. The cops surrounded her and told her to give up and come out. She refused and started getting irate. They shot the sh1t out of her and the car and killed her....

The reaction from people were similar to those commenting on the news site. A sad, hateful community of people

Annasopra

bajer101 wrote: »

Bit more info here and some more photos, but still no evidence. The original photo looks staged. The original story and photo came from a FB post and the Indo ran with it with no corroboration. A HD photo of an IDF soldier about to shoot someone? Really?



OP here, and I am calling bullshít. You don't get HD photos of an innocent party about to get murdered. IMO the Indo and the Mail have published photos which are clickbait. The Indo knows it and that is why they deleted my comments questioning the veracity of the photo. If the photo and story was legit, the Indo would have no reason to delete my comment.

I just questioned the legitimacy of the photo and the veracity of the story and the Indo deleted my comment.

I am a huge supporter of the Palestinian cause, but the Indo can fúck right off by trying to censor me.

Its reported by most major news agencies.