Private estate and non resident daily parking

Caliden

I live in a private estate (run by management company) and in the past few weeks we've noticed an increase in the number of cars being parked in the estate during the day.

We live near UCD and we assumed the increase was due to students moving into the estate but there's only a increase in the number of cars during the day when both students and workers are gone.

It's unclear who owns the cars as we're near popular bus routes and <15 min walk to the luas.

Some of the cars are parking near the entrance of the estate where there's a blind bend and having to go around a parked car is an accident waiting to happen.

I know that it's a public road but would the management company have any authority when it comes to parking in the estate?


Haven't contacted them yet as I want to find out if they can actually do anything.

I also think it's best to do something about it sooner rather than later to set precedent as it's even becoming difficult to find parking when I get home from work (presumably before the non residents finish work/college and get to their cars)

Miaireland

Report it to the management company and let them deal with it. They may chose to put warning on the cars or clamp them.

Manzoor14

Not really any advice, but just an FYI.
UCD introduced paid parking from the start of this term as well, and some car parks are for permit holders only (students and employees in UCD campus). So this is likely to have had a knock-on effect for people who used to park in UCD to grab the bus etc.

Arbiter of Good Taste

I wouldn't be too worried about the cars per se as my view (we have a similar issue in our estate) is that it looks to potential burglars like there are more people around during the day. Also, I figure if someone up to no good comes into the estate, they are more likely to put a rock through someone's car before trying to break into my home.

But the parking near the kerb is an annoyance and dangerous. Get on to the management company in the first instance

seamus

Although the estate might be run by a management company, the roads may be in the charge of the local authority.

I would go to the management company first, it's probably something that will need to be debated at AGM - you don't want to put double yellow lines everywhere but at the same time you want to discourage people parking all day.

Though it's a public road for the purposes of the road traffic act, so any illegal parking can be reported to the Gardai, specifically:

( c ) within 5 metres of a road junction;
( i ) on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip;
( k ) in a manner in which it will interfere with the normal flow of traffic or which obstructs or endangers other traffic;

So anyone parking too near to the entrance or on a blind bend is breaking the law and the Gardai can fine them, regardless of who is in charge of the roads.

Caliden

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

I wouldn't be too worried about the cars per se as my view (we have a similar issue in our estate) is that it looks to potential burglars like there are more people around during the day. Also, I figure if someone up to no good comes into the estate, they are more likely to put a rock through someone's car before trying to break into my home.

But the parking near the kerb is an annoyance and dangerous. Get on to the management company in the first instance

Well the only reason it's becoming an issue is because parking outside my house is limited so when I get home at 5:45pm and there's no spaces it's a real pain having to park a 2/3 minute walk away because people have left their cars there for the day.


With this thread I just wanted to check that the management company can enforce their own parking regulations as I wasn't sure if that was under the county council's control or not. (public roads, private estate)

seagull

If it's not a gated estate, then the roads are public, and the management company can do nothing. As long as the cars are parked legally, there is nothing the gardai can do, either.

Caliden

seagull wrote: »

If it's not a gated estate, then the roads are public, and the management company can do nothing. As long as the cars are parked legally, there is nothing the gardai can do, either.

Is this actually the case? One poster said above that parking could be the responsibility of either the council or the management company or are they wrong?

seamus

For the purposes of the road traffic act, if there is no gate then it's a "public place". That means that all vehicles and drivers are bound by the road traffic act on that road. This includes the requirements to park legally, be insured, be taxed, etc etc.

Ownership of these roads is a different matter, and regulating parking, including painting any road markings or erecting signage is the responsibility of the owner of the road. Good article here: http://www.odpm.ie/Dangerous_parking_problems_in_housing_estate__Siobhan_ODwyer_answers_Irish_Times_readers_question/Default.5161.html

The Gardai are very slow in my experience to bother their arses about this stuff when the management company own the roads.

3DataModem

You can ask you me local councillor to have permit parking put in place in your estate, even if roads are public.

Been done in plenty of places, and does the trick.

Paulw

3DataModem wrote: »

You can ask you me local councillor to have permit parking put in place in your estate, even if roads are public.

Been done in plenty of places, and does the trick.

But, don't the council then charge you for your resident parking permit? You then have to pay an annual fee. :eek:

Haznat

Paulw wrote: »

But, don't the council then charge you for your resident parking permit? You then have to pay an annual fee. :eek:

It's not much in the scheme of things if it makes life more convenient.