Is there only I s in amount of .1's you can get bak in Calender year.

Kingswood Rover

Hi all this came up conversation, how many .1's can you get back in a Calendar year, 2 shots max i piped up with or 20 .1's. or 2 full shots max. Then i got thinking if you play loads of comps and get a .2 and .4 cut in the year can you then potentially get 26 ' 1's back........confused .com.

Kingswood Rover

Sorry all made a snollyox of the title and can't work out how to edit but yez get the drift.

big_drive

My understanding is you can only increase by 2 shots in a year

Example if you started the year off 12.5 the highest you can go is 14.5

But no limit on number of .1's

The guy off 12.5 could get cut to 12 but then get 25 .1's to get him to his max of 14.5

That's my take on it but open to correction

denishurley

I thought you can only go two shots higher than your lowest handicap in a year?

E.g. you start the year on 13.6, then get a few cuts to, say, 12.0, your new max is 14.0? Could be wrong

Dtoffee

As I understand it, there is no limit to .1s ..... like others have said: its max two shots increase in a year.

This system allows players quickly regain any cuts that they may have had for winning ...... not that you would ever get a player returning three or four 0.1 cards a week from various singles opens following a two shot cut and subsequently getting back to their 'comfort zone' handicap within a month :eek::eek: never happen would it ?

Russman

Dtoffee wrote: »

As I understand it, there is no limit to .1s ..... like others have said: its max two shots increase in a year.

This system allows players quickly regain any cuts that they may have had for winning ...... not that you would ever get a player returning three or four 0.1 cards a week from various singles opens following a two shot cut and subsequently getting back to their 'comfort zone' handicap within a month :eek::eek: never happen would it ?

Its the way the system is designed to and supposed to work........well, apart from the travelling involved in going to all those Opens !:)

Hoof Hearted2

Russman wrote: »

Its the way the system is designed to and supposed to work........well, apart from the travelling involved in going to all those Opens !:)

That is how the system is designed but it most definitely is not how it meant to work, you (the player) is not meant to actively seek .1's in an effort to build your handicap, that is cheating, full stop.

Russman

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

That is how the system is designed but it most definitely is not how it meant to work, you (the player) is not meant to actively seek .1's in an effort to build your handicap, that is cheating, full stop.

I agree intent is a crucial point, but no amateur (or very few) decides when he's going to play well or not. I'm sure its stated somewhere that golfers are only supposed to play to their handicap once every seven rounds, or at least the system is premised on this. What's supposed to happen in the other 6 rounds where they don't play well ? Rightly or wrongly its exactly how its supposed to work. You play well, you get cut, for most amateurs this good round is usually followed by a series of bad rounds where you get 0.1 until your next good round.

I'm not saying I agree with the system as it is, but it will never ever be proven that someone is intentionally seeking 0.1s as opposed to having a bad round.

newport2

Russman wrote: »

I agree intent is a crucial point, but no amateur (or very few) decides when he's going to play well or not. I'm sure its stated somewhere that golfers are only supposed to play to their handicap once every seven rounds, or at least the system is premised on this. What's supposed to happen in the other 6 rounds where they don't play well ? Rightly or wrongly its exactly how its supposed to work. You play well, you get cut, for most amateurs this good round is usually followed by a series of bad rounds where you get 0.1 until your next good round.

I'm not saying I agree with the system as it is, but it will never ever be proven that someone is intentionally seeking 0.1s as opposed to having a bad round.

As long as a player does his/her best in every round to return a good score then I don't think anyone has any issues with how many .1's they get. Unfortunately it's the few who exploit this system of trust that lead a lot of us to be cynical about the process.

Russman

newport2 wrote: »

As long as a player does his/her best in every round to return a good score then I don't think anyone has any issues with how many .1's they get. Unfortunately it's the few who exploit this system of trust that lead a lot of us to be cynical about the process.

Totally agree. I guess I would contend that no matter how draconian any system is there will always be a few who exploit it, so why come down too hard on the genuine cases ? Like the ESR, which IMO is a total joke. Any real bandits out there aren't stupid enough to get caught by it.

Anyway, Op, apologies for going off thread. The CONGU UHS states that a Union may impose a restriction on handicap increase of two shots in a calendar year, no mention of number of 0.1s. I would interpret that as being you can go two shots higher than whatever you were on 1st Jan.

FixdePitchmark

I think a problem is, players don't try their best in every round - as suggested.

I've seen golfers - myself included , break their balls to get a buffer.

But - if you are heading for say a 34/35 and know you are not going to win.

It is just so easy - to give up and take a point 1.

I've listened to some golfers almost talking like a .1 is a victory, over a buffer.

There is no pride or congratulations for a buffer.

40 points - or nothing is the sort thinking out there.
As covered before - many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

newport2

Russman wrote: »

Totally agree. I guess I would contend that no matter how draconian any system is there will always be a few who exploit it, so why come down too hard on the genuine cases ?

Wouldn't come down hard on the genuine cases at all. But I think the ones who exploit are very obvious - in clubs I have been in anyway. Their good scores correlate exactly with big comps!

Russman wrote: »

Like the ESR, which IMO is a total joke. Any real bandits out there aren't stupid enough to get caught by it.

How would a bandit avoid the ESR once they returned one good score? It pretty much applies from there on in. I remember the biggest bandit I ever met had this kick in on him. He didn't know about it Unfortunately it didn't all apply though, it can't move you from a category 2 golfer to a category 1, so only about .2 of it was applied to him before he hit 5.5.

Russman

newport2 wrote: »

How would a bandit avoid the ESR once they returned one good score? It pretty much applies from there on in. I remember the biggest bandit I ever met had this kick in on him. He didn't know about it Unfortunately it didn't all apply though, it can't move you from a category 2 golfer to a category 1, so only about .2 of it was applied to him before he hit 5.5.

Yes but its based on the number of rounds between good scores. If you do back to back exceptional scores the cut is bigger than if you played, say, 6 rounds between your exceptional scores.
I just think that any real bandit will be well aware of the rule, and will make sure he doesn't break CSS by 4 shots a second time. I once had one playing partner ask me on the 6th tee about the ESR and how many rounds between exceptional scores were allowed before the amount of the cut was reduced. He couldn't decide whether to do a score or not !

Russman

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think a problem is, players don't try their best in every round - as suggested.

I've seen golfers - myself included , break their balls to get a buffer.

But - if you are heading for say a 34/35 and know you are not going to win.

It is just so easy - to give up and take a point 1.

I've listened to some golfers almost talking like a .1 is a victory, over a buffer.

There is no pride or congratulations for a buffer.

40 points - or nothing is the sort thinking out there.
As covered before - many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

Absolutely this. Even though I know 1 in 7 is the standard, I still have a hard time accepting it to be honest. I still have a kinda old school idea you should be more or less in or around your handicap most of the time or your handicap is too low.

I do have a sneaky feeling that most talk of a 0.1 being a victory is actually bravado though and just playing the big game of what the lads expect you to say. Lots of times people were trying their nuts off and just played bad but can't be seen to say that. I could be wrong but that's definitely my sense, especially with the older brigade. I know I'm getting a terrible slagging at the moment as I've already hit the wall with regard to going two shots higher in a season, truth is I've just played utter rubbish (well, actually a lot worse) all year, yet some feel I'm building up for some big event, what that is I've no idea !

death1234567

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

If only I could hit it that often.

Keano

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think a problem is, players don't try their best in every round - as suggested.

I've seen golfers - myself included , break their balls to get a buffer.

But - if you are heading for say a 34/35 and know you are not going to win.

It is just so easy - to give up and take a point 1.

I've listened to some golfers almost talking like a .1 is a victory, over a buffer.

There is no pride or congratulations for a buffer.

40 points - or nothing is the sort thinking out there.
As covered before - many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

I remember playing open singles with 2 lads and I asked on 18th tee box what my score was. Told me 33 and I said grand I need a bogey at least to make the buffer. They both looked at me and thought I was nuts!

newport2

Keano wrote: »

I remember playing open singles with 2 lads and I asked on 18th tee box what my score was. Told me 33 and I said grand I need a bogey at least to make the buffer. They both looked at me and thought I was nuts!

That's the thing. For some golfers the most important thing is winning comps, for others - most I hope - the ultimate prize is getting cut. I've won comps, but nothing compares to getting cut to your lowest handicap yet.

Seve OB

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think a problem is, players don't try their best in every round - as suggested.

I've seen golfers - myself included , break their balls to get a buffer.

But - if you are heading for say a 34/35 and know you are not going to win.

It is just so easy - to give up and take a point 1.

I've listened to some golfers almost talking like a .1 is a victory, over a buffer.

There is no pride or congratulations for a buffer.

40 points - or nothing is the sort thinking out there.
As covered before - many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

I never give up. Try mad damnedest every single time. I don't want .1's back. If I am looking like shooting a 26 points, I will do my best to par/birdie the last few to bring that up to a respectable 30, but more than that, try to finish on a high and roll it forward to the next game. Look at how I started on Saturday, pure drivel, but I got it back to a respectable score by digging in. No congratulations for being in the buffer, but there is pride in knowing my game is solid and steady and I am ready to pounce the next chance I get!

The only time I ever don't care is when I am playing crap but only out for a laugh with mates or a bit of practice, which is rare as most golf I play is in some kind of competition.

Kingswood Rover

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think a problem is, players don't try their best in every round - as suggested.

I've seen golfers - myself included , break their balls to get a buffer.

But - if you are heading for say a 34/35 and know you are not going to win.

It is just so easy - to give up and take a point 1.

I've listened to some golfers almost talking like a .1 is a victory, over a buffer.

There is no pride or congratulations for a buffer.

40 points - or nothing is the sort thinking out there.
As covered before - many golfer expect 36 every time, this idea that you hit it 1 in 7 - is not out there.

Totally agree, Golf for me it is to be the lowest i can be. i constantly reassess my targets if i need to, break 2o on the back nine, try and par the last five if playing complete manure to get into the buffer. The Master score board system is great for displaying all your scores vertically and being able to see all those dreaded light blue .1.s is a real motivator, oh and everyone's score should be accessible for others to see do not understand why most clubs lock out non-members from seeing their members scores. i have got down to 10.6 and am chuffed with myself but what gives me more pride is that i have played 4 competitive rounds since all in the buffer zone.

Russman

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Totally agree, Golf for me it is to be the lowest i can be. i constantly reassess my targets if i need to, break 2o on the back nine, try and par the last five if playing complete manure to get into the buffer. The Master score board system is great for displaying all your scores vertically and being able to see all those dreaded light blue .1.s is a real motivator, oh and everyone's score should be accessible for others to see do not understand why most clubs lock out non-members from seeing their members scores. i have got down to 10.6 and am chuffed with myself but what gives me more pride is that i have played 4 competitive rounds since all in the buffer zone.[/QUOTE]

That's impressive, especially after a cut.
I totally agree that, for me, golf is about getting as low as I can (whilst still returning every card so its at least somewhat representative).

Don't agree with scores being made public though. Can you imagine how many rows and court cases there would be ? Especially with so many golfers being bitter about not being able to hit their handicap (ties in with the notion of 1 in 7 not being widely understood).
Ranging from "I see you shot 85 last week, jeez you played great when you played against me in the Metro", or "you won the Captains and you had 20pts the week before" to maybe even something like "you had 23pts after 9 and then no score on 3 holes on the back, you must have been pulling". Followed by "sure most of their team were off X two years ago and they all got twenty 0.1s back and now they're All Ireland Champions in the XX......."


More trouble than its worth IMO.

PARlance

The 1 in 7 is just a general yardstick, even when it's understood, it can be misunderstood.
i.e Kingswood is on a roll, he's improving and playing good golf, the 1 in 7 goes out the window then.
It's nearly a dangerous thing to assume, it is only applicable for guys that have reached a peak, are close to their peak or have plateaued to some degree imo.

The 1 in 7 certainly isn't the case with me. Over the last 18 months I have had a good few cuts and it generally follows in phases of taking me a lot of rounds to get near the buffer, then I'll get into the buffer more often than not and then a cut will come.

So depending on the cycle, I can go from looking like I can't play to HC at all to looking like I am playing to it with ease.
I hope the 1 in 7 doesn't apply to me for at least another 18 months.

Russman

PARlance wrote: »

The 1 in 7 is just a general yardstick, even when it's understood, it can be misunderstood.
i.e Kingswood is on a roll, he's improving and playing good golf, the 1 in 7 goes out the window then.
It's nearly a dangerous thing to assume, it is only applicable for guys that have reached a peak, are close to their peak or have plateaued to some degree imo.

The 1 in 7 certainly isn't the case with me. Over the last 18 months I have had a good few cuts and it generally follows in phases of taking me a lot of rounds to get near the buffer, then I'll get into the buffer more often than not and then a cut will come.

So depending on the cycle, I can go from looking like I can't play to HC at all to looking like I am playing to it with ease.
I hope the 1 in 7 doesn't apply to me for at least another 18 months.

Agree 100%. I know its slightly OT but the random variations such as above, people playing well, people playing poorly, improving, coming back from a break etc., even just how your golf interacts with "life", all these IMHO make it pretty impossible to have a system that is 100% right/fair/accurate. The best we'll ever have is one that mostly works.