The Silencing of God

J C

This video charts the Silencing of God's people and by extension God, in America.

MrPudding

J C wrote: »

This video charts the Silencing of God's people and by extension God, in America.

The idea that mere humans can 'silence' a god is a little silly.

MrP

J C

MrPudding wrote: »

The idea that mere humans can 'silence' a god is a little silly.

MrP

Not silly at all, when the God has given Humans the free will to adore and proclaim Him or to hate and silence Him.

Kiwi in IE

I got 'An error has occurred. Please try again later'

It seems that your God is indeed being silenced!

eviltwin

Is God is being silenced or are people just choosing not to listen?

hinault

J C wrote: »

This video charts the Silencing of God's people and by extension God, in America.

That is an excellent presentation.

Thanks for posting this.

pauldla

I suppose if He can be silenced, omnipotence is not all it's cracked up to be.

Mark Tapley

On the first point I managed to find one letter of complaint regarding the pro life display

http://lydia.bradley.edu/campusorg/scout/archives/041996/letters.html

The display went ahead.

On the second point prayers at Utah city meeting. The Supreme court had said it is up to the individual councils to decide. Some do some do not.

http://www.good4utah.com/contact/brian-carlson/us-supreme-court-rules-its-ok-to-pray-in-city-meetings

Point three, removing the phrase "in the year of our lord". This has been restored.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x474985

Point four , ban crosses at Patricks Parade. Ban ignored and two clowns given Holy Communion.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1099981/posts

Thats as far as Im going.

lazygal

Ah Freerepublic, that bastian of balanced debate and reasoned argument. If God is being silenced maybe he should get a bit louder.

Mark Tapley

The artist told to remove a statue of Jesus had previously been told to remove a shaman statue among others. $500 dollar fine vs $5000.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1089954/posts

Mark Tapley

lazygal wrote: »

Ah Freerepublic, that bastian of balanced debate and reasoned argument. If God is being silenced maybe he should get a bit louder.

Its hard to find sources for this tripe as it seems to be from 2004. Using such sources to discredit whoever your man is , is icing on the cake.

looksee

I couldn't watch it, the presenter's world weary, whingy voice voice and manner completely put me off.

Even as an atheist I do not see any problem with religious festivals - Christmas, St Patrick's day etc having reference to their origins, any more than I object to symbols of Jewish, Hindu or Muslin festivals as they arise. Even if you don't believe, they are colourful cultural symbols.

If we were to remove all evidence of religion from the country we would lose a lot of cultural gems such as churches, abbeys and high crosses. There is a Marian shrine near where I live, I don't get the shrine business, but it is a beautiful garden, looked after by local people and creates a community pride in the area.

I do not agree with overlap of church and state, oaths on religious books in court for example, prayers at secular public meetings.

Is god being silenced? I don't think so. If his followers could agree on an approach of love and charity there would be less objection I think, but it is the bigots, the cynical, the sectarians and the superstitious who are most active in silencing god in the interests of promoting their own views.

hinault

J C wrote: »

This video charts the Silencing of God's people and by extension God, in America.

I watched the clip that you linked and it was a superb presentation.

I'd argue that the second clip below is as informative as the clip you linked

Mark Tapley

hinault wrote: »

I watched the clip that you linked and it was a superb presentation.

I'd argue that the second clip below is as informative as the clip you linked

There is another clip where he points out the difference between his árse and his elbow. He gets it wrong but it is a superb presentation.

PopePalpatine

I did a bit of Googling on this "Dr." Dave Miller - he has a BA in "Speech & Bible" from Lubbock Christian University, a "Masters in Divinity" along with a Ph.D is in Rhetoric & Public Address from Southern Illinois University.

Well, at the very least he's managed to dupe J C and hinault with his rhetoric.

MrPudding

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I did a bit of Googling on this "Dr." Dave Miller - he has a BA in "Speech & Bible" from Lubbock Christian University, a "Masters in Divinity" along with a Ph.D is in Rhetoric & Public Address from Southern Illinois University.

Well, at the very least he's managed to dupe J C and hinault with his rhetoric.

One of whom is a YEC and the other close to it. Personally I would not put duping either on them on my CV. It's up there with "I convinced a 3 year old that a fat guy in a red suit comes down his chimney every year and leaves him presents."

MrP

hinault

Mark Tapley wrote: »

There is another clip where he points out the difference between his árse and his elbow. He gets it wrong but it is a superb presentation.

That's your field of expertise.

If you can point to the documents cited in those presentations and show that God is not mentioned in them, you might actually have a point.

Otherwise it's the usual ....... from you

Mark Tapley

hinault wrote: »

That's your field of expertise.

If you can point to the documents cited in those presentations and show that God is not mentioned in them, you might actually have a point.

Otherwise it's the usual ....... from you

I thought the premise was that god is being silenced . The examples he gives that I have checked this seems not to be the case. He exaggerates fabricates and lies and you swallow it like ambrosia.

hinault

Mark Tapley wrote: »

I thought the premise was that god is being silenced . The examples he gives that I have checked this seems not to be the case. He exaggerates fabricates and lies and you swallow it like ambrosia.

Still talking ...... as usual.


The point made in the presentation is that in the last 50 years there's been an attempt at federal level to remove all reference to God
in America.

Mark Tapley

hinault wrote: »

Still talking ...... as usual.


The point made in the presentation is that in the last 50 years there's been an attempt at federal level to remove all reference to God
in America.

Which has not been successful if true. Hence the premise "god is being silenced "is not proven.
As much as you would like to feel like a martyr to the influence of atheists unfortunately religion or a bastardised version is deeply entrenched in American society.

hinault

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Which has not been successful.

Incorrect.

And pointless exchanging messages further as regards this thread

The Randy Riverbeast

The silencing of god appears to be others not wanting to follow Christianity. Sadly there is separation of church and state so everyone is equal. It must be tough for some people.

PopePalpatine

hinault wrote: »

Still talking ...... as usual.

You're not trying to silence Mark, are you?

hinault

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

The silencing of god appears to be others not wanting to follow Christianity. Sadly there is separation of church and state so everyone is equal. It must be tough for some people.

One of the points made in the presentation is that because the Founding Fathers of America enshrined Christianity in their Declaration of Independence and included clauses in the earliest documents of the new nation that advocated belief "in the God of the Bible", religious tolerance is granted in America because it is a Christian country

The attempt to silence God during the last 50 years in America goes against what the Founding Fathers of America advocated.

The Randy Riverbeast

hinault wrote: »

One of the points made in the presentation is that because the Founding Fathers of America enshrined Christianity in their Declaration of Independence and included clauses in the earliest documents of the new nation that advocated belief "in the God of the Bible", religious tolerance is granted in America because it is a Christian country

The attempt to silence God during the last 50 years in America goes against what the Founding Fathers of America advocated.

Religious tolerance in America is pretty awful, nothing to be proud of. If that's due to Christianity it isnt something I would be advertising.

Mark Tapley

hinault wrote: »

Incorrect.

And pointless exchanging messages further as regards this thread

Yes it is pointless if you don't elucidate. Bobbing and weaving whilst not actually making any valid points seems to be your M.O.

Kiwi in IE

hinault wrote: »

Incorrect.

And pointless exchanging messages further as regards this thread

Wow! That was quite a long exchange before this typical response to challenge reared it's head. I'm impressed!

PopePalpatine

hinault wrote: »

One of the points made in the presentation is that because the Founding Fathers of America enshrined Christianity in their Declaration of Independence and included clauses in the earliest documents of the new nation that advocated belief "in the God of the Bible", religious tolerance is granted in America because it is a Christian country

The attempt to silence God during the last 50 years in America goes against what the Founding Fathers of America advocated.

The Treaty of Tripoli says hi:

Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 wrote:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The founding fathers were mostly deists and certainly not in favour of a Christian state, by the way.

hinault

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Religious tolerance in America is pretty awful, nothing to be proud of.

Religious tolerance in America by international standards is far far more tolerant than in many other regions.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MrPudding wrote: »

The idea that mere humans can 'silence' a god is a little silly.

MrP

God is silent. He has, ever chosen to be that way. Religions on the other hand...

Mark Tapley

hinault wrote: »

Religious tolerance in America by international standards is far far more tolerant than in many other regions.

Not a 100% but did you hear a whoosh?

The Randy Riverbeast

hinault wrote: »

Religious tolerance in America by international standards is far far more tolerant than in many other regions.

But by supposed tolerant western standards, not so much.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34308716

Even Catholics had a tough time. But as you said, we can thank Christianity for such a tolerant country where only the right type of Christian could become president.

Overheal

Gonna skip the seminar video (got 6 minutes in before he said "Atheism, Humanism, Pluralism" etc were "Sinister Forces") but the thing about "The War on Religion in America" (as FOX labels it, mostly the War On Christmas) is that it is in response to generations of overt and stuffy religious influence, particularly in government and government-run agencies (like education). On this I don't think there is any problem (removing a holy bible from a Texas courthouse for example; as well as jurors citing religious text instead of legal text in a legal ruling). However, certainly on both sides of the issue there are people just looking to be offended: for instance, it does not bother me to see a billboard that says 'Jesus Loves You' etc, this is just privately held speech. Same with a political (abortion) display portraying crosses - also, private speech.

Mark Tapley

Interesting article about Catholicism in America. -

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/pope-francis-to-find-a-church-in-upheaval.html?referrer=