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Why did this plane turn around?

  • 15-09-2015 4:07pm
    #1
    gebbel
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    Travelling towards Dublin on the M1 at Balbriggan this afternoon, I spot this unusual contrail in the sky.....unusual to me in the sense that planes travelling towards the UK don't normally do a U-turn over the east coast. Anyway it just got me wondering even though it's probably nothing unusual. Thanks.

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  • #2
    crosstownk
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    It could have simply been in a holding pattern. Without a flight number/time/direction/airline/aircraft type it'll be difficult to identify.

    If someone was watching FR24 at the time they may be able to help you.
    Untitled Image




  • #3
    gebbel
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    The exact time of the photo was 1.26pm. Based on the rate of dissipation of the contrail as we travelled south, the plane probably flew that arc 10-15 minutes earlier.


  • #4
    IrishB.ie
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    Probably the first one on this page http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057359945&page=439

    An American airborne command post


  • #5
    gebbel
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    IrishB.ie wrote: »
    Probably the first one on this page http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057359945&page=439

    That's great thanks...what is E-6B TACAMO? Many thanks.


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
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    gebbel wrote: »
    That's great thanks...what is E-6B TACAMO? Many thanks.

    E6 is the aircraft type pop it in google, TACAMO is most likely it's callsign.


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  • #7
    woejus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    E6 is the aircraft type pop it in google, TACAMO is most likely it's callsign.

    TAke Charge And Move Out

    E6 Mercury


  • #8
    maquiladora
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    E6 is the aircraft type pop it in google, TACAMO is most likely it's callsign.

    Callsign was RAZZ 02.


  • #9
    gebbel
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    Does this military plane require permission to fly like this through our airspace?


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    gebbel wrote: »
    Does this military plane require permission to fly like this through our airspace?

    Permission ? Or an ATC clearance ? It will have been coordinated with ATC who will have approved it.


  • #11
    smurfjed
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    All airplanes need permission to fly through a countries airspace, the procedure is called overflight clearances. This must be obtained prior to the aircraft entering the airspace whereas air traffic control clearance will apply to the aircraft as it flies through the airspace.


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  • #12
    roundymac
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    The Russians did'nt.:D
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0219/681373-russian-aircraft-raf-escort/


  • #13
    smurfjed
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    The Russians have a habit of flying outside the 12nm boundary of countries, rather than the airspace boundaries. But that leads us to the question, what can we do about them apart from wave?


  • #14
    Wanderer78
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    what can we do about them apart from wave?

    wave with surface to air missiles maybe?


  • #15
    bronn
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    What can we DO about it? We have a plan! :o

    IMG_3235_zps6rwsu80j.jpg


  • #16
    Negative_G
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    The Russians have a habit of flying outside the 12nm boundary of countries, rather than the airspace boundaries. But that leads us to the question, what can we do about them apart from wave?

    The answer I think is nothing and if anything was done it will be a token effort.

    To effectively secure our airspace would require a massive investment in personnel, aircraft and infrastructure. That's not to say that it couldn't be done and could be certainly done in stages to spread the cost but it would require a lot of political and public will of which there is neither.

    The recent white paper on Defence at least shows a rudimentary interest in it and speaks of investing in radar installations which would be a sensible first step.

    You are also correct regarding the overflights but for military aircraft it is generally routed through the the requesting countries embassy to the Dept of Foreign Affairs who grant/decline applications.

    I saw the contrail myself and wondered what exactly it was. Interesting spot.


  • #17
    eatmyshorts
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    But that leads us to the question, what can we do about them apart from wave?

    Ask them to land and get their round in for a few pints.


  • #18
    Victor
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    bronn wrote: »
    What can we DO about it? We have a plan! :o

    http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n461/wombledon/Boards/IMG_3235_zps6rwsu80j.jpg
    Meh. The MiG has a range of about 1,470 kilometers. I don't think we have to worry about them.


  • #19
    stopthepanic
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    it must be a slow news day.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eyebrows-raised-as-us-spy-plane-makes-several-passes-over-ireland-31535234.html


  • #20
    testicle
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    wave with surface to air missiles maybe?

    Ceiling of an RBS-70 is 3000m, or ~10000ft. The AWACs would laugh at it.


  • #21
    Tenger
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    At this point we can all agree perhaps that this was an interesting find on planefinder (......spliters!!) but ultimately it was a planned flight by a US military aircraft.

    Indo: The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) confirmed the flight, saying that: "A US military aircraft, with a pre-filed flight plan, operated in Irish airspace on Tuesday with approval from the Department of Foreign Affairs ."
    The ‘clandestine’ flight was spotted by a Newstalk listener using the Plane Finder app,

    Newstalk and the journal.ie also made a deal about. Newstalk even called it a "spy plane" while using a pic of a U-2 Aurora.


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