Cross of Cashel "Retirement"

toxicloan365

The "Cross of Cashel" is to be "retired" (U21 Hurling Trophy); does anyone know why GAA decided to "retire" this trophy and, who initiated this decision?

Dirty Dingus McGee

It's a unique and iconic throphy I don't really see the need to retire it.

toxicloan365

Couldn't agree more; strange that it wasn't reported in the media until now. I guess the decision was taken some time ago, but kept under wraps......

StupidLikeAFox

Money issues, dont ya know

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/allireland-u21-hurling-trophy-to-be-retired-31518504.html

nice_guy80

GAA Museum must have an empty spot


I wonder is it to do with the religious symbolism of it?

Dirty Dingus McGee

nice_guy80 wrote: »

GAA Museum must have an empty spot


I wonder is it to do with the religious symbolism of it?

Croke Park would have to be renamed then and that's not going to happen any time soon.

citykat

It's too f*"kn heavy. I'd love to know who cast it, must've been Desperate Dan.

dirkmeister

I hope the new cup has a bit of character to it.

They made some b*lls of the new Bob O' Keeffe cup.

Xenophile

In the present age we live in this trophy is too sectarian!

Sean Amhlaoibh

Xenophile wrote: »

In the present age we live in this trophy is too sectarian!

Well said sir!

Let's hope the GAA also starts to remove the many, direct links it has to church organisations/parishes throughout Ireland, as well.

In fact, many GAA trophies include Christian symbols e.g. Sam Maguire cup; isn't it about time that these symbols were also erased from all GAA trophies (and medals)? All the newer trophies e.g. Nicky Rackard, Lory Meagher are thankfully free of sectarian bias.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Sean Amhlaoibh wrote: »

Well said sir!

Let's hope the GAA also starts to remove the many, direct links it has to church organisations/parishes throughout Ireland, as well.

In fact, many GAA trophies include Christian symbols e.g. Sam Maguire cup; isn't it about time that these symbols were also erased from all GAA trophies (and medals)? All the newer trophies e.g. Nicky Rackard, Lory Meagher are thankfully free of sectarian bias.

Do you want Croke Park renamed aswell?

It would extremely stupid of the GAA to try and erase it's past just to keep a few whingers who can't accept that religion played a big part in the history of this country (and other country's as well).The GAA reflects Irish history in a lot of ways and trying to deny it and cover it up would daft.

zetecescort

They'll be renaming any club named after famous republicans in the country too at that rate :rolleyes:

Very Bored

Xenophile wrote: »

In the present age we live in this trophy is too sectarian!

Sean Amhlaoibh wrote: »

Well said sir!

Let's hope the GAA also starts to remove the many, direct links it has to church organisations/parishes throughout Ireland, as well.

In fact, many GAA trophies include Christian symbols e.g. Sam Maguire cup; isn't it about time that these symbols were also erased from all GAA trophies (and medals)? All the newer trophies e.g. Nicky Rackard, Lory Meagher are thankfully free of sectarian bias.

How is it sectarian? Its a statue of Christ on the cross which Protestants use too. I think people forget that much of the symbolism used in Catholicism is shared with Protestantism too.

Sean Amhlaoibh

Very Bored wrote: »

How is it sectarian? Its a statue of Christ on the cross which Protestants use too. I think people forget that much of the symbolism used in Catholicism is shared with Protestantism too.

Christian sectarianism!

Very Bored

Sean Amhlaoibh wrote: »

Christian sectarianism!

Ah for goodness sake, Christianity is a big part of Ireland's heritage. I'm not a Christian and I don't find it offensive to have crosses representative of various things. Just the same as if I went to a Muslim country I expect to see Islamic symbolism and if I go to Israel, Jewish.

toxicloan365

Very Bored wrote: »

Ah for goodness sake, Christianity is a big part of Ireland's heritage. I'm not a Christian and I don't find it offensive to have crosses representative of various things. Just the same as if I went to a Muslim country I expect to see Islamic symbolism and if I go to Israel, Jewish.

Hold on lads, can we get back to the point? Are GAA retiring the Cashel cup due to wear and tear or due to Christian design?

Very Bored

toxicloan365 wrote: »

Hold on lads, can we get back to the point? Are GAA retiring the Cashel cup due to wear and tear or due to Christian design?

In fairness, I wasn't the one who brought the issue of "sectarianism" up yet its my post you cite...

I can't see how its due to wear and tear, its a big sturdy yoke of a thing.

toxicloan365

I can't believe it's due to Christian design.

Is there something we are missing here?

Maybe they just felt sorry for Limerick! :-)

It will give them a chance to hold on to an All-Ireland trophy, forever!

Very Bored

toxicloan365 wrote: »

I can't believe it's due to Christian design.

Is there something we are missing here?

Maybe they just felt sorry for Limerick! :-)

It will give them a chance to hold on to an All-Ireland trophy, forever!

I'd say it'll end up in a museum. I would be disappointed if it were true, but I have a feeling the GAA could be moving towards direct sponsorship of trophies as the next step in its move to make ever more money. Bringing in a new trophy would be a less controversial way of doing it perhaps and would bring less noise from the traditionalists, though it would be a great pity if it happened.

Fr Tod Umptious

Very Bored wrote: »

I'd say it'll end up in a museum. I would be disappointed if it were true, but I have a feeling the GAA could be moving towards direct sponsorship of trophies as the next step in its move to make ever more money. Bringing in a new trophy would be a less controversial way of doing it perhaps and would bring less noise from the traditionalists, though it would be a great pity if it happened.

They have actually moved away from direct sponsorship.
BOI and Guinness used to exclusively sponsor the football and hurling championships respectively.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I think it's a beautiful trophy, shame to see it being retired.

Deskjockey

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I think it's a beautiful trophy, shame to see it being retired.

I'm the opposite, I always thought it was a crap looking trophy, a cup is always a better trophy in my opinion, the bigger the better (hate seeing people lifting a tiny cup), and the one thing about that u-2- trophy is that when lads are lifting it, they shake it so you only ever see the base of it in photos. So you just see its square base.

Also people giving out about "sectarian" symbols above are surely on the wind up I think.

keane2097

Man alive it's some ghastly looking piece of work. Celtic crosses and that sort of stuff I don't particularly mind but this particular example is a horrible block of metal with a creepy sculpture of a Jewish guy being tortured to death on top of it.

Must be the weirdest sporting trophy in the western world. Good riddance.

Very Bored

keane2097 wrote: »

Man alive it's some ghastly looking piece of work. Celtic crosses and that sort of stuff I don't particularly mind but this particular example is a horrible block of metal with a creepy sculpture of a Jewish guy being tortured to death on top of it.

Must be the weirdest sporting trophy in the western world. Good riddance.

I think the reason they are retiring it is that the GAA knows its blasphemous to worship any God but Cody in hurling.

feargale

Very Bored wrote: »

I'd say it'll end up in a museum. I would be disappointed if it were true, but I have a feeling the GAA could be moving towards direct sponsorship of trophies as the next step in its move to make ever more money. Bringing in a new trophy would be a less controversial way of doing it perhaps and would bring less noise from the traditionalists, though it would be a great pity if it happened.

The Coca Cola Cup?