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Legality of Security at EP

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  • 08-09-2015 7:10pm
    #1
    IrishWhite
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭


    Just wondering if what is written below is true this text was taken from another site with the users permission.


    Under the legislation that was introduced in Ireland in 2004 all security operatives and their employers in the ROI must hold a PSA license this license is only valid in the Irish Republic and is not transferable and cannot be used on the UK mainland or in Northern Ireland. The same rules apply to the UK and they cannot use their licenses in the republic of Ireland.

    However there is an exception to the rules in so much as you can compliment the staff at events with unlicensed staff provided that they only carry out the duties of a steward or marshal and are only allowed to engage in activities such as checking tickets, directing persons to seats, facilities
    or other areas of a venue during the normal course of an event, providing
    safety advice and assistance, ensuring all entrances, exits, passageways,
    stairway and other concourses are kept clear for health and safety
    purposes, checking and reporting of any matter posing a risk to the health
    and safety of persons and these are not considered to be licensable activities.

    However an Event Steward may not undertake any task of a security nature
    which are licensable and require the contractor to hold the appropriate PSA
    contractor licence. Such tasks include but are not limited to:-
    Preventing unauthorised entry.-
    Removal of persons from venue.
    Protection of property.
    Protection of persons (but not including guarding or protective services
    provided in relation to a specific individual or specific individuals).
    Searching for and controlling of prohibited goods, items or other objects.

    Specialized Security, Eventsec, SLS, and CT Site Services where all present at the Electric Picnic and their unlicensed staff were all carrying out the above activities which under the rules of the PSA was illegal. Which seems a tad unfair on the thousands of individuals who hold PSA licences and the hundreds of security companies who pay licensing and auditing fees to the PSA every year.


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    Danger Fourpence
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Danger Fourpence


    IrishWhite wrote: »
    Hi All

    Under the legislation that was introduced in Ireland in 2004 all security operatives and their employers in the ROI must hold a PSA license this license is only valid in the Irish Republic and is not transferable and cannot be used on the UK mainland or in Northern Ireland. The same rules apply to the UK and they cannot use their licenses in the republic of Ireland.

    However there is an exception to the rules in so much as you can compliment the staff at events with unlicensed staff provided that they only carry out the duties of a steward or marshal and are only allowed to engage in activities such as checking tickets, directing persons to seats, facilities
    or other areas of a venue during the normal course of an event, providing
    safety advice and assistance, ensuring all entrances, exits, passageways,
    stairway and other concourses are kept clear for health and safety
    purposes, checking and reporting of any matter posing a risk to the health
    and safety of persons and these are not considered to be licensable activities.

    However an Event Steward may not undertake any task of a security nature
    which are licensable and require the contractor to hold the appropriate PSA
    contractor licence. Such tasks include but are not limited to:-
    Preventing unauthorised entry.-
    Removal of persons from venue.
    Protection of property.
    Protection of persons (but not including guarding or protective services
    provided in relation to a specific individual or specific individuals).
    Searching for and controlling of prohibited goods, items or other objects.

    Specialized Security, Eventsec, SLS, and CT Site Services where all present at the Electric Picnic and their unlicensed staff were all carrying out the above activities which under the rules of the PSA was illegal. Which seems a tad unfair on the thousands of individuals who hold PSA licences and the hundreds of security companies who pay licensing and auditing fees to the PSA every year.

    You can prove this, yes?

    Otherwise you may be in a whole heap of trouble.


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    IrishWhite
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭IrishWhite


    Danger Fourpence wrote: »
    You can prove this, yes?

    Otherwise you may be in a whole heap of trouble.

    The legislation is clear and I saw first hand non licensed staff carrying out the duties that you are required to hold a license for.


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    hawkwind23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭hawkwind23


    Company used is EventSec based in Northern Ireland

    http://www.eventsec.co.uk/


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    discodiva92
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 353 ✭✭discodiva92


    How would they have an irish licence if from the uk


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    paulbok
    Registered Users Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Perhaps they have a licence for both jurisdictions?


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    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    IrishWhite wrote: »
    The legislation is clear and I saw first hand non licensed staff carrying out the duties that you are required to hold a license for.
    How do you know they were unlicensed? Just because they weren't wearing the tag doesn't necessarily mean they were unlicensed.


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    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    How do you know they were unlicensed? Just because they weren't wearing the tag doesn't necessarily mean they were unlicensed.

    If they weren't clearly displaying the psa licence they would be likely to bring down a tonne of **** from the psa, not worth it. If they had no badge on I'd be 99% sure they were unlicensed.


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    IrishWhite
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭IrishWhite


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If they weren't clearly displaying the psa licence they would be likely to bring down a tonne of **** from the psa, not worth it. If they had no badge on I'd be 99% sure they were unlicensed.

    Some of them were wearing SAI badges which is the UK body that regulates the UK security industry and are not valid in Ireland the rest of the staff were not displaying any badges it is a requirement that your PSA badge is displayed on your person while carrying out duties of a security nature in the Republic of Ireland


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    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    IrishWhite wrote: »
    Some of them were wearing SAI badges which is the UK body that regulates the UK security industry and are not valid in Ireland the rest of the staff were not displaying any badges it is a requirement that your PSA badge is displayed on your person while carrying out duties of a security nature in the Republic of Ireland

    I'm well aware of the requirements, that's why I was making the point that if they weren't wearing the badge I'd almost guarantee they don't have one, even if they forgot to put it on they'd be quickly reminded by a colleague/supervisor. And the days of slipping the id in your pocket so you can't be identified are gone for the most part.


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