new street signs

ted1

Did anybody notice the new signs on some of the junctions of the N11

it's basically a bike lane with a bus lane beside it, there is a then a arrow leading from the bus lane crossing the bike lane as if the bus is turning. but there is a yield triangle in the middle of the arrow so as to indicate that bikes have priority.

have these been here a while or am i correct in saying that they are new.

they are a wellcome addition.

Doctor Bob

Saw one recently at the section between The Rise and Foster Avenue. The cycle track becomes a cycle lane as it approaches the junction, and the bus lane becomes a bus and left-turning traffic lane.

There's a problem with the traffic lights as they give a green left-turning arrow, so left-turning drivers have the impression from the lights that there are no potential conflicts, whereas in fact cyclists in the cycle lane are usually going straight ahead. Simply put, it shouldn't be a green left arrow. The sign is a sticking plaster; the real solution is to get the traffic light sequence right.

BarryAlfaro

Well now that you mention now,I would have to see for myself,I didn't noticed any change.How ignorant of me.

Nichard Dixon

Is this a legal sign or one made by some jobsworth in the council at taxpayers expense?

Daithi101

That sign has been there for a year I'd say. But as pointed out with the green arrow for the left turn its is pointless as some cars don't realise cyclists are going straight.

ted1

Daithi101 wrote: »

That sign has been there for a year I'd say. But as pointed out with the green arrow for the left turn its is pointless as some cars don't realise cyclists are going straight.

Are you sure, the latest photo on google maps is Oct 2014 and it is not there.

Macy0161

Couldn't vouch for it being there for a year, but it has been there a good while.

tbh I've always found that junction ok - been cut up more at the Brewery Road junction.

galwaycyclist

Doctor Bob wrote: »

Saw one recently at the section between The Rise and Foster Avenue. The cycle track becomes a cycle lane as it approaches the junction, and the bus lane becomes a bus and left-turning traffic lane.

There's a problem with the traffic lights as they give a green left-turning arrow, so left-turning drivers have the impression from the lights that there are no potential conflicts, whereas in fact cyclists in the cycle lane are usually going straight ahead. Simply put, it shouldn't be a green left arrow. The sign is a sticking plaster; the real solution is to get the traffic light sequence right.

I accept the sentiment. That said this type of sticking plaster might represent a welcome change in attitude.

Previously the approach might have been to stick a yield marking on the cycle track and make it the cyclists' fault if they came into conflict with turning traffic.

ted1

for those that havn't seen it.

Its similar to this (except a left hand drive version and a bus)


here's some more that they are trying in Calgary: http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TP/Documents/cycling/City%20Centre%20cycle%20track/cycle-track-network-may2015-signs.pdf

Seaswimmer

Can someone take a picture. I have recently contacted an employee of DLR council about some of the issues on the new Frascati Road infrastructure and I can think of a couple of junctions where these signs (or similar) would be welcome.

check_six

Just noticed this morning that there is a bike traffic light on St Stephen's Green across from Hume St (Dublin). Does anyone know what the purpose of this light is or what it is controlling? It's pointing at Hume St, but it's at the start of a bit of bike lane on Stephen's Green.

It's in the middle of this pic.

traprunner

galwaycyclist wrote: »

I accept the sentiment. That said this type of sticking plaster might represent a welcome change in attitude.

Previously the approach might have been to stick a yield marking on the cycle track and make it the cyclists' fault if they came into conflict with turning traffic.

Speaking of yield markings on the cycle track. I went out the N11 at the weekend towards Loughlainstown and there was a lot of new spray painted yield markings on the cycle track. Looks like a load of new yields will be properly painted soon.

ted1

traprunner wrote: »

Speaking of yield markings on the cycle track. I went out the N11 at the weekend towards Loughlainstown and there was a lot of new spray painted yield markings on the cycle track. Looks like a load of new yields will be properly painted soon.

I noticed that too, they appear to give , busses, and pedestrians right of way which put cyclists to the bottom of the food chain

Macy0161

traprunner wrote: »

Speaking of yield markings on the cycle track. I went out the N11 at the weekend towards Loughlainstown and there was a lot of new spray painted yield markings on the cycle track. Looks like a load of new yields will be properly painted soon.

The N11 is real mish mash - it has some parts that I think are examples of quite good practice, and others that are a disaster. And even within the same council areas.

Yield signs at some side road junctions, then others where the yield is correctly on the side road and cycle lane does not give way. Obviously, you have to go with the road markings as there are, but it hardly helps cyclists or motorists and interactions between them that it's not consistent on the same bloody road!

UDP

check_six wrote: »

Just noticed this morning that there is a bike traffic light on St Stephen's Green across from Hume St (Dublin). Does anyone know what the purpose of this light is or what it is controlling? It's pointing at Hume St, but it's at the start of a bit of bike lane on Stephen's Green.

It's in the middle of this pic.

It's for bikes turning right coming from Hume street.

check_six

UDP wrote: »

It's for bikes turning right coming from Hume street.

This is puzzling. There's no cycle path/track on Hume St. There are normal traffic lights on the Hume St side. Don't think I've seen it go green either. Maybe there's a cycle track to be installed on Hume St in the future? They are doing some kind of work on that street on the last few days.

radia

I take it that it's to facilitate bikes turning left from Hume Street onto St Stephen's Green, across pedestrian traffic.

There's a pedestrian crossing just to the left of that junction for people crossing from one side of the St Stephen's Green road to the other. If a pedestrian activates the crossing, then instead of motorised traffic coming from Hume St onto SSG getting a green for both left and right, they get a red light with a green arrow pointing right (i.e. right turn only) so they can't cut up any pedestrians who might be crossing. But simultaneously the green bike light comes on (which carries no directional arrows), which I take to mean that bikes can turn either right or (carefully) left.

UDP

check_six wrote: »

This is puzzling. There's no cycle path/track on Hume St. There are normal traffic lights on the Hume St side. Don't think I've seen it go green either. Maybe there's a cycle track to be installed on Hume St in the future? They are doing some kind of work on that street on the last few days.

There is a bike traffic light at the crossing by the ha'penny bridge on the north side also even though there is no cycle track - just a bus lane. I think they are sticking them up around the place to point out lights to cyclists.

Fian

Macy0161 wrote: »

The N11 is real mish mash - it has some parts that I think are examples of quite good practice, and others that are a disaster. And even within the same council areas.

Yield signs at some side road junctions, then others where the yield is correctly on the side road and cycle lane does not give way. Obviously, you have to go with the road markings as there are, but it hardly helps cyclists or motorists and interactions between them that it's not consistent on the same bloody road!

Or more commonly: Ignore the cycle land and use the bus lanes where you get the same priority as other vehicles on the road.

I just don't understand why the council don't realise that if they insist on making cycling infrastructure unusable with these yield signs nobody will use it. At least if the surface is crap that is generally down to neglect rather than an active decision to make the infrastructure unattractive.

Of course that in turn leads to increased conflict with motorised traffic, especially the taxi and bus drivers who are infuriated because they think cyclists are just going out of their way to inconvenience them by using the road when they have a lovely off-road lane all of their own sitting empty.